What the heck happend?

The_Rhinosaurous · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:09 am

What the heck happend?

I left the hobby about a year ago- nobody to play with and not enough hours in the day. I took a peek here for old times sake and what the heck? What happend to the game? It looks exactly like warhammer from what I can tell. Do people still play it old school or is it now exclusivly played in this (from what I can tell) abominaton form. I tried selling some stuff on Ebay and woa! Nobody is buying anymore is the hobby seeing its last days? I am just... shocked...

Dorthonion · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:49 am

I am willing to play both but there is some serious painting to do first...

gaarew · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:01 am

It diversified...

The SBG is still alive and kicking (for the moment), all of the books are still relevant, and nobody is stopping you from playing, just, now, you can also indulge in some really big battles courtesy of the WotR rules. Yes, it looks Warhammerish, but it really isn't. It plays much smoother than that.

Natarn · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:42 pm

WOTR

SBG

Don't worry. SBG is alive and well.

I found the opposite on eBay. Lots of people are buying in order to make huge armies for WOTR. I have some large armies, but I just love SBG too much and don't want to splash out on new rule books and supplements and I don't want to learn a whole new set of rules. SBG has a great rule set and I'm sticking with it.

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

gaarew · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:45 pm

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

Corsair · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:12 pm

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

gaarew · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:27 pm

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

And making the game possible for people who are allergic to movement trays.

Get with the program (or at least the conversation) James...

:wink:

Corsair · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:37 pm

gaarew wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

And making the game possible for people who are allergic to movement trays.

Get with the program (or at least the conversation) James...

:wink:

well it would be possible, just take a lifetime to play a single game...

Captain Ingold · **Posted:** Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:09 pm

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

And making the game possible for people who are allergic to movement trays.

Get with the program (or at least the conversation) James...

:wink:

well it would be possible, just take a lifetime to play a single game...

That's why I don't play WotR.

My, that's the biggest series of quotes I've seen in a while.

High Elf General · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:25 am

Captain Ingold wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

And making the game possible for people who are allergic to movement trays.

Get with the program (or at least the conversation) James...

:wink:

well it would be possible, just take a lifetime to play a single game...

That's why I don't play WotR.

My, that's the biggest series of quotes I've seen in a while.

No, this is....

:rofl:

gaarew · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:08 am

High Elf General wrote:

Captain Ingold wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Corsair wrote:

gaarew wrote:

Natarn wrote:

I like the aethetics of huge armies and battles but... movement trays? Yuck! That kind of spoils it for me.

You could always just move the models individually Nate...

theoretically making moving a single infantry company 8 times longer. Sort of removes the quick side of WoTR a bit :roll:

And making the game possible for people who are allergic to movement trays.

Get with the program (or at least the conversation) James...

:wink:

well it would be possible, just take a lifetime to play a single game...

That's why I don't play WotR.

My, that's the biggest series of quotes I've seen in a while.

No, this is....

:rofl:

It isn't funny anymore...

Natarn · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:43 am

So, in a nutshell...

I'd rather play a huge game with massive armies and SBG rules - even if it takes days! :-D

Need siege rules? I've got them.

Need rules for fighting inside strongholds? I've got them.

Want to move troops individually? I can do that.

As far as I can see, there's only a point in using wotr rules if you've got and army consisting of over 200 or 300 models. As far as GW are concerned, the only point of wotr is to make as much money out of selling shed-loads of minis as they can.

If you like wotr, that's fine. It's a personal preference.

At the moment it's not for me and I'm not convinced that, for the players, it's a good invention. Give me SBG any day.

Haldir_pl · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:19 am

Wotr is great when you have some huge armies and large flat tables otherwise it just doesn't make sense since using combo of at the double and i.e wings of terror you can just move units at silly distances

Quote:

Need siege rules? I've got them.

Need rules for fighting inside strongholds? I've got them.

Want to move troops individually? I can do that.

Well... You can just use such rules per analogiam

though it doesn't make sense since Wotr has it's own rules for siege weapons and attacking/defending buildings.

You can also move base firts and than move each model individually

To be clear , I'm not defending Wotr, becasue sometimes there are flaws in the gamplay as to be expected. I think each system has it's pros and cons. Wotr is designed for greater use of tactica, i.e there are no situations like in SBG when one single orc can stop and delay several mounted KoDA just beacause one side has luck in dieces

SBG is better when it comes to for fun game ot tournament game

Natarn · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:10 am

Good points, Haldir.

I'm not really in a position to comment on WOTR as I've not even played it. I've watched some games, but I know that's not the same thing... so should probably just keep my mouth shut.

I just enjoy SBG :yay:

so much, I'd be amazed if anything could equal it, let alone be better.

Captain Ingold · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:42 am

Natarn wrote:

Good points, Haldir.

I'm not really in a position to comment on WOTR as I've not even played it. I've watched some games, but I know that's not the same thing... so should probably just keep my mouth shut.

I just enjoy SBG :yay:

so much, I'd be amazed if anything could equal it, let alone be better.

Here here! WotR just seems to... big... to play, too expensive, and the painting would drive me insane. (Anyone who plays WotR is, by my definition, insane already.) Though I enjoy having vast armies slaughter each other, SBG was intended to be on a smaller scale than WH, or WH40K. With WotR it seems as if LotR is turning into

Quote:

the evil twin relations to LOTR.

That's why I don't play it.

That, and the fact that I have no gaming table at the moment.

EDIT: Transferred from other topic.

Captain Ingold wrote:

WotR itself seems like part of the grand scheme to reform the line into a Warhammeresque system. The SBG was designed as a small skirmish game, where at most up to 200 models would be fielded. With the advent of the economic downturn, GW realised they won't reeling the profits on anywhere near the old scale, so they invented an entirely 'new' rules system, which was essentially a blend of Warhammer and LotR. The intent being, it would appear, to force hobbyists to purchase scores, if not hundreds, of new minis. This multiplies their revenue 3- or 4-fold, plus the 'revival' of gamers who had almost abandoned LotR. I wouldn't say that they're fazing out SBG, but it seems more and more unlikely that they'll release anything SBG-oriented. I think we've pretty much seen the last of the SBG supplements. From now on its going to be WotR all the way, and I have to say I don't like it.

Hobilar · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:21 am

Our little group is still happily playing Battle Companies. So we are sticking with SBG for now.

Tried a few games of WotR, and it was OK. Had some rules questions though and it didn't seem like GW was keen on issuing any official errata or rulings. That's mainly what killed WotR for us.

Playing Legends of the Old West and other LotR rules based skirmish games is what brought me back to playing LotR again. I realised what a decent game system it is. Simple to learn, yet requires thought to play well. Ok, and luck sometimes too!

galadhrim100 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:34 pm

Id have to agree with both Haldir and Hobilar.
SBG is still my favourite of the two rules sets, and with WOTR now around, it almost seems as if its just been pushed away. Ok, WOTR is a fun and enjoyable set of rules, and i could see myself playing a few games of it, but i still think that SBG is more enjoyable as it has a very good rules system which is easy to pick up and play.

However, to me the introduction of WOTR for me, seems to of almost pushed away all of the LOTR gamers from my local store. A year ago there were maybe 10-20 regular gamers, however since the arrival of WOTR, that number has dropped to maybe 5 or 6.

Im in no way trying to say that WOTR is bad, and i do think that it could be an enjoyable game, but i just don't enjoy it as much as SBG. My opinion.

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