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| Author: | thelordcal [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts |
Hello All. Recently i've been posting several possible lists that i've been experimenting with to decide what army i will be taking/fielding for the upcoming year. I'd like to narrow it down to 1 main list to perfection. I've tried Dwarves, Rohan, Combination of Allied Forces, as well as a Three Hunters list. Here in Northern, Ca we play 750pts. focusing on theme over competitiveness, however, i'm the only one who plays Good at the moment! 3 Uruk-hai players!!! With the new sourcebooks, most of the evil armies tend to be more "complete" with spear, pike, and excellent shooting support. So army composition wise, i'm looking at running a shield block, with character support, and some flankers. I know standard. Now i need to work on theme, i've thought about doing a Pelennor Fields theme, maybe a "Hunters in the Wild" theme (high elves + grey company) So the lists i'm working with... Leader: Aragorn w. Armor/Elven Cloak - 190pts (From the Fellowship) Warband 1: 154pts. Captain of Dol Amroth 5x Knight of Dol Amroth - 45pts. 6x Men at Arms - 54pts -Pike Warband 2: 188pts (incl. Ranger) Halbard - 126pts. -Spear, Banner of Arwen Evenstar 4x Rangers of Arnor - 36pts. -Spear IC: Ranger of the North -Spear Warband 3: 135pts. Captain of Minas Tirith - 55pts. -Shield 10x Warrior of Minas Tirith - 80pts. -Shields Warbands 4: 83pts. Pippin on Pony: 35pts 8x Hobbit Shirrifs - 32ptspts. 4x Hobbit Archers - 16pts Total: 750pts. Models: 43pts. Might: 12* Ok List TWO: The Passing of the Grey Company! Warband 1: 264pts Elladan + Elrohir w. Heavy Armor - 150pts 8x Rangers of Arnor - 64pts. IC: 2x Rangers of the North - 50pts Warband 2: 179pts. Halbarad - 65pts 8x Rangers of Arnor - 64pts IC: 2x Ranger of the North - 50pts. Warband 3:306pts Aragorn Isildur's Heir 7x Rangers of Arnor - 56pts IC: 2x Rangers of the North Totals: 749pts Models: 31(!) Might: 18* Strengths: Tons of Might!!! However, ZERO defense and lacks a lot of strength to handle Uruks haha Army List 3: Mustering of the Shire (NO Aragorn) Warband 1: 95pts. Pippin w Pony 12x Tookish hunters Warband 2: 83pts Merry w Pony 12x Shirrifs Warband 3: 103pts. Sam on Pony 12x Shirrifs IC: Paladin Took Warband 4: 430pts. Treebeard 2x Ents Just a crazy luist idea! Treebeard comes to the shire looking for the entwives! What are your thoughts? How would you achieve an Aragorn list at 750pts? Is he worth it? Thanks! Hope to hear back soon! |
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| Author: | Valamir [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
The first army is decent- has a nice round amount of models, half of them are capable of taking on uruks one-on-one- however, the only way you are ever going to triumph over a phalanx is by shooting the living daylights out of the phalanx and hoping Aragorn and the Captains can take it apart. Enemy cavalry could easily pull the force apart piecemeal, though. The second list is, imo, more competitive, insofar as you have many bows (always good for dealing with uruks) you have three heroes that can take the best Isengard can offer and one that can hold his own against them. I like the list and have used/ have seen used such lists, to great effect. It is merely a matter of making sure that the heroes do the majority of the fighting against uruks. The final list- Hmm... Interesting. The ents and Treebeard are your main hope. Failing that, you would have issues, as hobbits will not stand up to the might of Isengard. Please do note that all of this was written from a 'countering Isengard' perspective. Best of luck! |
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| Author: | lorderkenbrand [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
I like your third list the most! It's quite original and you could have great fun sending in the Ents to cause chaos first and then your hobbits to mop up. If you could squeeze Gandalf in there perhaps mounted it would benefit greatly. Magic will otherwise hamper your Ents! |
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| Author: | Valamir [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
The lorderkenbrand makes a very good point- the third list is indeed quite original. Gandalf could indeed benefit, though a bird (like Gwaihir) could be useful as well. |
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| Author: | thelordcal [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
So i went with the Second List for Game night tonight, pure grey company. And it preformed outstandingly! Managed to scrape a win out of the gutter against some Second Age High Elves led by Gil-galad and Elrond. Then massacred one of our better uruk-hai players. Halbarad takes the MVP for the evening. Killing both Mahur, 6 uruks with shields And an elf captain and 3 high elf shield men! Will try and post BR tomorrow after work. |
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| Author: | thelordcal [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
Ok List TWO: The Passing of the Grey Company! Warband 1: 264pts Elladan + Elrohir w. Heavy Armor - 150pts 8x Rangers of Arnor - 64pts. IH: 2x Rangers of the North - 50pts Warband 2: 179pts. Halbarad - 65pts 8x Rangers of Arnor - 64pts IH: 2x Ranger of the North - 50pts. Warband 3:306pts Aragorn Isildur's Heir 7x Rangers of Arnor - 56pts IH: 2x Rangers of the North Totals: 749pts Models: 31(!) Might: 18* Ok this is the list i took last night, however, i'm starting to want to change somethings up... Right now i have ZERO banners when it comes to calculating victory points, that could swing 3 to my opponent if he manages to hang onto his all game. Not to mention that Rangers with rerolls can do some solid damage to Uruk-hai. However they do have a 50% shot at getting cleaved in half if they lose the fight! I'm looking once again at the Banner of Arwen Evenstar to carry. I know its super expensive, it hardly seems like its worth the price until you break it down a little further. For a little more than 2 banners, you get twice the coverage of just one banner, AND all GOOD models within that same range automatically pass any Courage test they're required to make. Really helps against Terror, plus since i'm sticking with theme here, I don't have access to any other banner in the army list. Not to mention the fact that i realized i could drop 2 Rangers of the North due to normal bow restrictions! Here's the list at the moment... Aragorn Isildur's Heir 8x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 72pts. Halbarad Dunadan 8x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 72pts. Elladan + Elrohir w. Heavy Armor 8x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 72pts. IHs: 4x Ranger of the North Makes 732 so from here i can add in an elven cloak, and maybe put bows on the Twins... OR... i could start fiddling a little bit, and try and get the Banner on Halbarad... So 18 point start, drop the heavy armor from the twins lets then drop 2 spears and i'm at exactly 30pts. Halfway!. Ok so if we drop 2 rangers... THEN drop 13 spears and we're at exactly.... 750pts!!! The new list would look like this: Aragorn Isildur's Heir 3x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 27pts. 3x Rangers of Arnor - 24pts. Halbarad Dunadan w Banner of Arwen Evenstar - 125pts. 5x Rangers of Arnor - 40pts 3x Rangers of Arnor w Spear - 27pts. Elladan and Elrohir 5x Rangers of Arnor - 40pts 3x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 27pts. IC: 4x Rangers of the North Total: 750pts. Models: 30 Might: 16* Thoughts about the new list? I lose 2 models a whole mess of spears plus some minor upgrades for my characters and my break is now 15 instead of 16... Thanks! As always, tear it to shreds! |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750pts Army Blog |
You are two Rangers of the North short. May I ask, why do you use IC for Independent Hero. |
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| Author: | thelordcal [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts; Banner |
I didn't think i was 2 Rangers short because my bow limit is 33% of the number of models that aren't characters. The Grey Company Rule states that if i want to take Rangers that exceed the bow limit then the 1 for every 4 comes into play... So the 6 rangers with Aragorn are just following normal restrictions.. Unless i read that wrong? |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts; Banner |
Since rangers automatically come with bows, you need the correct number of RotN, Rangrs of Arnor do not turn into models without bows if you put the RotN in. Otherwise Grey Company would be a bit more powerful. |
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| Author: | thelordcal [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts; Banner |
You are correct, it seems i cannot take the banner at this points level without drastically reducing my overall numbers. Will have to wait until we expand to 1k In your opinion, with the extra 10pts, add in another ranger, spears, OR elven cloak on aragorn or heavy armor for the twins... |
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| Author: | thelordcal [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts; Banner |
Ok Gothmog has shown the fallacy of a little logic i read in another thread... Aragorn Isildur's Heir w. Cloak 3x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 27pts. 3x Rangers of Arnor - 24pts. Halbarad Dunadan 5x Rangers of Arnor - 40pts 3x Rangers of Arnor w Spear - 27pts. Elladan and Elrohir 5x Rangers of Arnor - 40pts 3x Rangers of Arnor w. Spear - 27pts. IH: 6x Rangers of the North Total: 750pts. Models: 30 Might: 18* |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts; Banner |
That's pretty much your average 'Grey Company themed' list. Elf Twins plus 100% bows is a list to be feared. Either give the Twins heavy armour or Aragorn a cloak as you suggested. Your choice depends on the stength (including bow strength) of your enemy. as if there is no difference on wounding your Twins, then the cloak is better. I would recoomend the in most circumstances. |
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| Author: | Valamir [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 750 Cal's Grey Company: G1+2 Wins! List thoughts |
Since the primary methods of dealing with Aragorn tend to be transfix or shoot, the elven cloak would be worth your while. The one thing that I've learned with the GC is that it is best to shoot the enemy as much as you can, then proceed to swamp them. |
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