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looks good but u cant use the kings guard upgrade without gil-galad

I haven't been playing SBG for very long but here is what I think of the list from what people have told me (I play elves as well so have asked the same questions)

1) As hobbitlord says you need Gil-galad to use Kings Guard (there his royal guards) but from what people tell me you shouldn't take it as you don't actually need it as I remember it it adds to fight value and maybe courage neither of which elves need (ironically basically every other army would benefit more from these)

2) I don't think Celeborn is very cost effective hero (never used him just going of what people say) you may want to use Rumil and Haldir instead as I assume you will want to keep that warband as Lothlorien

3) Personally I like to take a 'super' hero like Glorfindel, Elrond or the Twins etc to counter enemy heroes/monsters you may want to take one of those instead of one of your current heroes this is however personal choice so don't feel that you have to change it.

Apart from the above it is a really good list and as far as I can tell your troop choices are really good which is what most people get wrong

I have to disagree with the others, I think Celeborn is a great choice, as for the extra point each of your troopers get another courage, and he also has aura of courage to keep people from running anyway. His stats are equal to Imthris and with the magic make him a strong choice.

Brian

If you want to use King's Guard, then you could swap Erestor for Gil-galad, and Celeborn for Rumil, which I think is the same points and gives you a very similar army, but with no magic and a bit more might

I just kept the Kings Guard because I had 12 points leftover and nothing really to do with them.

I like Celeborn, but I like Rumil better.

BrazenGolem wrote:

36 models

It's 39, actually. I keep seeing people put "36", thought I'd finally say something.

BrazenGolem wrote:

I just kept the Kings Guard because I had 12 points leftover and nothing really to do with them.

I think you'd get more mileage out of giving spears to your front line Galadhrim and high elves because it gives you more tactical flexibility; or better yet, upgrade some Galadhrim to GoGC with pikes. The GoGC have the same stats as King's Guard (okay, one less D, but they're in the back so it doesn't matter), but a far more useful special rule.

Author:	BrazenGolem [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:49 pm ]
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Erestor 6 Kings Guard w/heavy armor and shields 4 Kings Guard w/heavy armor, elf bows and spears 2 Kings Guard w/heavy armor, shields and spears Warband 2 Celeborn w/heavy armor and shield 6 Galadhrim w/armor and shields 4 Galadhrim w/armor, elf bows and spears 2 Galadhrim w/armor, shields and spears Warband 3 Legolas w/armor and elf cloak 4 Wood Elves w/spears and throwing knives 4 Wood Elves w/elf blades and throwing knives 4 Wood Elves w/spears and elf bows 36 models 12/36 bows 7 might Thoughts?

Author:	hobbitlord [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:04 pm ]
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looks good but u cant use the kings guard upgrade without gil-galad

Author:	ElfGeneral [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:31 pm ]
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I haven't been playing SBG for very long but here is what I think of the list from what people have told me (I play elves as well so have asked the same questions) 1) As hobbitlord says you need Gil-galad to use Kings Guard (there his royal guards) but from what people tell me you shouldn't take it as you don't actually need it as I remember it it adds to fight value and maybe courage neither of which elves need (ironically basically every other army would benefit more from these) 2) I don't think Celeborn is very cost effective hero (never used him just going of what people say) you may want to use Rumil and Haldir instead as I assume you will want to keep that warband as Lothlorien 3) Personally I like to take a 'super' hero like Glorfindel, Elrond or the Twins etc to counter enemy heroes/monsters you may want to take one of those instead of one of your current heroes this is however personal choice so don't feel that you have to change it. Apart from the above it is a really good list and as far as I can tell your troop choices are really good which is what most people get wrong

Author:	Lochlan8me [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:07 pm ]
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I have to disagree with the others, I think Celeborn is a great choice, as for the extra point each of your troopers get another courage, and he also has aura of courage to keep people from running anyway. His stats are equal to Imthris and with the magic make him a strong choice. Brian

Author:	hobbitlord [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:12 pm ]
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i just looked through the free peoples book and tips from different places, and if it were me and i had the points, i would swap all your heroes for elrond, galadriel, and thranduil then i would use his rule on your wood elven bows so you will almost always hit something.

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Author:	Chris GoM [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:14 pm ]
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If you want to use King's Guard, then you could swap Erestor for Gil-galad, and Celeborn for Rumil, which I think is the same points and gives you a very similar army, but with no magic and a bit more might

Author:	BrazenGolem [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:56 pm ]
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Thanks for replying so quickly! hobbitlord wrote: looks good but u cant use the kings guard upgrade without gil-galad Didn't know that! All I've got is the rulebook that came with the Mines of Moria, so I'm a little in the dark in regards to the upgrades. ElfGeneral wrote: I haven't been playing SBG for very long but here is what I think of the list from what people have told me (I play elves as well so have asked the same questions) 1) As hobbitlord says you need Gil-galad to use Kings Guard (there his royal guards) but from what people tell me you shouldn't take it as you don't actually need it as I remember it it adds to fight value and maybe courage neither of which elves need (ironically basically every other army would benefit more from these) 2) I don't think Celeborn is very cost effective hero (never used him just going of what people say) you may want to use Rumil and Haldir instead as I assume you will want to keep that warband as Lothlorien 3) Personally I like to take a 'super' hero like Glorfindel, Elrond or the Twins etc to counter enemy heroes/monsters you may want to take one of those instead of one of your current heroes this is however personal choice so don't feel that you have to change it. Apart from the above it is a really good list and as far as I can tell your troop choices are really good which is what most people get wrong Lochlan8me wrote: I have to disagree with the others, I think Celeborn is a great choice, as for the extra point each of your troopers get another courage, and he also has aura of courage to keep people from running anyway. His stats are equal to Imthris and with the magic make him a strong choice. Brian I think I'll scrap Celeborn. Immobilise is nice, but for the same cost as Gil-Galad, it doesn't seem worth it. Plus, Ringwraiths will probably sap his will before I can really do anything Chris GoM wrote: If you want to use King's Guard, then you could swap Erestor for Gil-galad, and Celeborn for Rumil, which I think is the same points and gives you a very similar army, but with no magic and a bit more might Did just that. Warband 1 Gil-Galad w/shield 6 Kings Guard w/heavy armor and shields 4 Kings Guard w/heavy armor, elf bows and spears 2 Kings Guard w/heavy armor, shields and spears Warband 2 Rumil 6 Galadhrim w/armor and shields 4 Galadhrim w/armor, elf bows and spears 2 Galadhrim w/armor, shields and spears Warband 3 Legolas w/armor and elf cloak 4 Wood Elves w/spears and throwing knives 4 Wood Elves w/elf blades and throwing knives 4 Wood Elves w/spears and elf bows 36 models 12/36 bows 9 might 700 pts I just kept the Kings Guard because I had 12 points leftover and nothing really to do with them.

Author:	whafrog [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:04 pm ]
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I like Celeborn, but I like Rumil better. BrazenGolem wrote: 36 models It's 39, actually. I keep seeing people put "36", thought I'd finally say something. BrazenGolem wrote: I just kept the Kings Guard because I had 12 points leftover and nothing really to do with them. I think you'd get more mileage out of giving spears to your front line Galadhrim and high elves because it gives you more tactical flexibility; or better yet, upgrade some Galadhrim to GoGC with pikes. The GoGC have the same stats as King's Guard (okay, one less D, but they're in the back so it doesn't matter), but a far more useful special rule.

Author:	BrazenGolem [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:45 pm ]
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whafrog wrote: I like Celeborn, but I like Rumil better. BrazenGolem wrote: 36 models It's 39, actually. I keep seeing people put "36", thought I'd finally say something. BrazenGolem wrote: I just kept the Kings Guard because I had 12 points leftover and nothing really to do with them. I think you'd get more mileage out of giving spears to your front line Galadhrim and high elves because it gives you more tactical flexibility; or better yet, upgrade some Galadhrim to GoGC with pikes. The GoGC have the same stats as King's Guard (okay, one less D, but they're in the back so it doesn't matter), but a far more useful special rule. 1.Love his special rule. On par with Dain in terms of being a pain to kill, especially with his low point cost. 3.A King's Guard costs 1 point less than a GoGC, with one more defense and the ability to shield just the same, so they don't seem worth it point-wise. Great looking model though, might buy some anyway. Could try out a Galadhrim pike block.

Author:	Draugluin [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:01 pm ]
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GoGC also have higher fight and higher courage, not to mention a pike.

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