Sauron has a nice profile (almost invincible) but he's the Dark Lord so it's ok
Question:
Is he considered a monster or an infantry model?
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| Author: | NotLegolasJustTipsy [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Sauron into Battle |
Has anyone used Sauron on the battle table? I know he's quite costly, but after reading his rules, he looks like a beast! Great amount of attacks, great strength, great defence, plus killer magic. Has anyone had any success playing him? And what army did you field around him? x |
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| Author: | KnightyKnight [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
I've used and played against him in a few Last Alliance scenarios, and both experience and hearing other people's opinions say the same thing: it can actually lead to a pretty dull game for both players. Good knows that his only chances are heroes, spear support and a whole lot'a'luck, Evil knows that if he is finally reduced to one wound it'll still take forever and a miracle to kill him if he has the Ring. He can be fun once or twice, but becomes rather tedious quickly. In my opinion of course - I personally enjoy close-matched, "any outcome could occur" games. The other thing to consider is whether or not he'll actually earn his points back. Sure he can kill soldiers left right and centre, but he'd have to kill a heck of a lot to amount to what you've spent on him. |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Knighty is totes correct, however in an evil vs evil situation, fielding Sauron shouldn't be too bad, there are plenty of evil models who are no par with him (all of whom are infinitely more fun than Sauron to play) so the game wouldn't be so predictable. He's only worth fielding at 1500 pts imo. |
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| Author: | Thecow [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
The only way to have fun with Sauron is in a Last Allinance scenario because as SuicidalMarsbar and KnightyKnight pointed out its rather dull, and heroes cant really do anything to him, even treebeard and 5 ents get powned(1st hand expirience) so unless you have a last alliance scenario or a tournament in Gw dont use him, your opponent will be very very very unhappy ad most likely wont ask to play with you again. |
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| Author: | Imladris96 [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
yeah, my brother and I once decided to test him out and we used my entire breaking of the fellowship set against him... i'm sure you can conclude what happened |
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| Author: | imrail [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Imladris96 wrote: yeah, my brother and I once decided to test him out and we used my entire breaking of the fellowship set against him... i'm sure you can conclude what happened Squish - was that a hobbit-? I played with Sauron a couple of times, mostly against dwarves. He can be fun, his point cost is quite high but most of the time he kills more than enough to make up for it. With the ring it is even harder to kill him (obvious) and not as much fun to play with. And don't forget that he is a very good sorcerer. |
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| Author: | Lord of easterling [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Sauron has a nice profile (almost invincible) but he's the Dark Lord so it's ok Question: Is he considered a monster or an infantry model? |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Well, if you want to field suaron, then field him. He isn't un-defeatable but just make sure if you are going to field him that you play the game like the rules tell you to I.E: Make your army before you meet up to game, then set up a playing board with atleast 1/3 of it filled with terrain, THEN roll for a scenario and play it. If you do not do this he will be overpowered, as his preferred scenario is obviously an open field with no objective besides killing him. Lord of easterling wrote: Question: Is he considered a monster or an infantry model? I would assume he is a monster, although there are many models i would like clarification on this such as: Warg Chieftans Giant spiders Spider Queen Shelob |
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| Author: | SidTheSloth [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
SuicidalMarsbar wrote: Lord of easterling wrote: Question: Is he considered a monster or an infantry model? I would assume he is a monster, although there are many models i would like clarification on this such as: Warg Chieftans Giant spiders Spider Queen Shelob In the MoM rulebook he is considered a spirit, so niether I suppose |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
SidTheSloth wrote: SuicidalMarsbar wrote: Lord of easterling wrote: Question: Is he considered a monster or an infantry model? I would assume he is a monster, although there are many models i would like clarification on this such as: Warg Chieftans Giant spiders Spider Queen Shelob In the MoM rulebook he is considered a spirit, so niether I suppose Yeah but the great goblin is both a goblin and a monster, the trolls are both trolls and monsters, i don't see why suaron can't be a spirit and a monster (although the necromancer shouldn't be a monster) Also the MoM rulebook is outdated, i'm 99% sure that the easterling lord is asking in referrence to the new monster rules. |
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| Author: | Lord of easterling [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
SuicidalMarsbar wrote: i'm 99% sure that the easterling lord is asking in referrence to the new monster rules. Why that 1% of doubt  Btw The question is: does he benefits the new Monster special attacks  ?Because the rulebook is not clear of who is a Monster, it only states that it is indicated in their profiles(Goblin King does not have it) 
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| Author: | SouthernDunedain [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
The goblin king has it - stated as monster in the big hobbit rulebook. Sauron however, is just a spirit so he cannot use the new attacks. |
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| Author: | -Bolg- [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
at the right of the name you can see what a model is example: golblim king [troll, monster] when there stands monster it's a monster. sauron doesn't follow the monster rules bus is a model of S6 or more. Lucas |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Sauron i snot a monster. Wild Warg Cheiftains are not monsters either. and nor are Ginat Spiders. Shelob and Spider Queens are, it says so in their unit entries. However Fell Beasts and Chariots are monsters even though they are not specifically listed as such. |
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| Author: | -Bolg- [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
The fell beast is listed as a monster (doesn't matter for the game) 
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
If you fight Sauron in an evil v evil game, bring the Balrog. I've played with Moria v Mordor/Isengard, and the Balrog was able to beat the Lord of the Rings every time that I fought, averaging about 2 wounds a turn. With the new monster rules, the Balrog can Rend, meaning he wounds on a 4+ instead of a 5+. |
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| Author: | Lord of easterling [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Draugluin wrote: If you fight Sauron in an evil v evil game, bring the Balrog. I've played with Moria v Mordor/Isengard, and the Balrog was able to beat the Lord of the Rings every time that I fought, averaging about 2 wounds a turn. With the new monster rules, the Balrog can Rend, meaning he wounds on a 4+ instead of a 5+. Yeah but if Sauron has the Ring you're dead @Azog and S.Dunedain: I don't have the new main rulebook, i was speaking about the EFGT Journey book --->the goblin king does not have monster (stupid GW) At this point...question n.2  : Is the Mumak a monster?
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| Author: | Grungehog [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
as far as i am aware the list of mosters is as such: moria and angmar: balrog dragon cave drake the watcher in the water spider queen dweller in the dark cave troll fellbeasts gulavhar buhrdur freepeoples: ent eagles fallen realms: isengard troll mumak chariots(monstrous mounts) mordor(I don't own this one, as such could you guys correct or add to this if i get anything wrong) shelob mordor troll chief mordor troll great beast of gorgoroth the hobbit: william/bert/tom great goblin |
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| Author: | Lord of easterling [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
If the Mumak is considered a monster it will be destructive. ex: fight with an enemy model then use the Barge special attack---->your army is dead 
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sauron into Battle |
Agreed about the Mumuk. That thing (and maybe the Great Beast...I never looked at it's details or profile) is an 'exception'. I think if the Mumuk can use the new Monster Attacks it's going to be unbalancing. |
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