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| Author: | LordElrond [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Hello everyone.  Who do you prefer to take in your high elf lists / prefer not to play against. I know that they all have different strengths and weaknesses and will be good for different situations, but that is what makes it such a hard choice between them. Which do you prefer and why? Thanks, LordElrond 
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| Author: | Galanur [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
diferent uses, true the twins gives something glorfindel dont give... 1st for the same cost its 6 might 2nd its 2 characters in a warband 3rd twin get S5 if the other gets killed 4th decent fighters still 5th diferent fighting styles in which benefit them greatly GLorfindel otherwise got: better fight value more wounds higher defence, even without armour of gondolin more fate and will points with armour gets magic resist the horse its faster |
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| Author: | JamesR [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Of the three I'm partial to Gil-galad (he was my first ever hero after all lol). I don't own the monkey twins but Glorf is a beast. Fight 7 D 7 and one of those 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 characters means he is quite tough to tackle. Gil-galad has less fate but will beat anyone save Sauron and the Balrog in a tie combat, with +1 to wound. Also the fact he's D9 with a shield means that even if you're surrounded all you need do is shield because with 6; dice you're going to roll a 6 and auto-win (usually) |
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| Author: | Gondorian Captain [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
As above, Twins in smaller games to get the might, others when needing their particular abilities. On a similar note, Arwen vs Cirdan? Am also debating the use of storm caller's to aid both with strengthen will. (Yes I know woodland stormcallers have natures wrath anyway but this is for pure Rivendel) |
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| Author: | LordElrond [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Thanks. I was thinking that the twins and Gil Galad are better than Glorfindel, as they are the two extremes I guess. Gil Galad, the beast in combat, the twins, quite beastly at everything, and then there's Glorfindel, who I think is I between the two? Thanks for the quick responses. More replies please. |
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| Author: | Knife in the Dark [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
I quite like Glorfi, since he has a lot of things I like about him. The magical resistance is a nice bonus against things like wraiths. I don't think I've lost in a game I've used him in. Really I think it comes down to personal preference though. |
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| Author: | LordElrond [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Could any of you give an example of an army list that you've used them in? |
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| Author: | Dragon from the East [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Two ~500 Point lists. I think they could work pretty good. -Elladan + Elrohir with armor and bows They lead 11 High Elf Warriors -7 with spear and shield -4 with bows and blades -Erestor (Or a generic captain), who lead 12 High Elf Warriors -8 with spear and shield -4 with bows and blades -Glorfindel (Could be replaced here with Gil-Galad) with Armor of Gondolin leading 12 High Elves -7 with spear and shield -4 with bows -1 with banner and shield -Erestor (Or a generic captain) leading 11 high elf warriors -7 with spear and shield -4 with bows |
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| Author: | LordoftheBrownRing [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Id say in a 500 pt, only twins, in 750, still probably twins, but once you get to 850, Gil Galad. Hes a beast. |
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| Author: | Zarathustra Suicuine [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
Gil galad, because F9, 3 attacks and his spear means anything bar a balrog or Sauron will be mincemeat. I love Glonfindal's armoured model, but never used him as I pretty much always go for Gilgalad, though next time I do a 750pts game if I use pure elves rather then last alliance I may try him. I must admit, I would love to field a list with him, Gil Galad and Glonfindal and Elendil just to see how the opponent would deal with them. Never used the Twins as the models are so expensive (may get one to use the mounted model to bas a gilgalad conversion possibly.) and their models are not that great (what is up with the pose on one of them?  )
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| Author: | JamesR [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
LordoftheBrownRing wrote: Id say in a 500 pt, only twins, in 750, still probably twins, but once you get to 850, Gil Galad. Hes a beast. Why do you personally not field Gil-galad at earlier points? He's cheaper than the twins, points wise |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
I use the Twins when I think I might be facing a horde, Glorfindel when I think I might need magic resistance, or there's a Mordor Troll. Otherwise, as others have said, Twins are better at lower points. |
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| Author: | VandalCabbage [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
I'd argue Gil-Galad is the top ranker: Pros Fight skill - lowly captains will blow might on heroic strikes and 66% of the time won't even tie Aeglos - even in this Dwalinized world he still retains relevance and killing ability. King's Guard - good v.s. monsters Durability - low fate counteracted by high defence Cost - Compared to others in his price range he's a bargain Standfast - not that good, elves already have good courage, but nice Cons: Theme - bites the dust early on, so limited mostly to other elf heroes for theme Low Fate - mentioned above After him, I think twins, then Glorfindel, then Elrond (who wasn't mentioned?) I rate all of these as exceptional heroes though, except for Elrond, who is merely very good. With their points values mostly the same, I consider them all mostly suitable for anything above 500 points. And we used to think Rivendell was weak... |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
On a horse Gilgalad is the best all out killer of the lot. Dest Defence (with shield), Best Fight, +1 to wound, Glorfindel is the "not dying" dude Magic resistent, cheapest, 3 fate Twins are the swiss army knife 6 might, dont loose too much when dismounted, can take bows, are 2 models. Over all, Glor is my standard start point as he is hardest to kill over all especially with the common evil force has magic. Gilly is my 2nd place. All hero at 1000pts... I take all 3 and more |
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| Author: | Thurin [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
This is a subject that interests me greatly, I had actually been considering making a thread like this earlier this week. For fluff reasons, Glorfindel is a model I'd like to use often because of his presence in such a large span of middle earth's history, from Turgon's army in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad all the way up to the wars against the Witch King of Angmar in the third age. I can't claim to be anything but the simplest novice at this game, but here are my thoughts so far. The twins Elladan and Elrohir seem to be some of the point-for-point best heroes in the entire game. As far as I can tell, their most significant flaw is that if you buy horses for them, they can no longer use their 3 attack fighting style. It would be a waste of points to buy horses for the twins. It's also worth mentioning that Ell and El lack the Terror special rule. So as far as I can tell. The most notable reason you might want to take Gil-Galad or Glorfindel rather the Twins is if you want to make use of Cavalry heroes. If a mounted Gil-Galad or Glorfindel charges against infantry they make eight strikes per turn. That compares favorably against the maximum of six strikes per turn that Elladan and Elrohir can make together on foot. Now, comparing Gil-Galad to Glorfindel. If you're planning to use them as Cavalry, Gil-Galad has to buy an Armored horse which makes him slightly more expensive than Glorfindel. Gil-Galad's higher fight value shouldn't make a difference 90% of the time, but his special weapon is more likely to score wound than Glorfindel. Although Gil-Galad can have a higher Defense value than Glorfindel, I suspect that he's actually more likely to get killed because of his low Fate. With Magic Resistance and higher fate, Glorfindel is less likely to get taken out of action by a spellcaster. So here's my assessment of the lot of them. Elladan and Elrohir are the best choice on foot. On a horse Gil-Galad has the best offense. Glorfindel has the best defense. Gil-Galad will probably do best if you can afford him, but he's more vulnerable to wizards. |
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| Author: | Balin son of Fundin [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
JamesR wrote: Of the three I'm partial to Gil-galad (he was my first ever hero after all lol). I don't own the monkey twins but Glorf is a beast. Fight 7 D 7 and one of those 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 characters means he is quite tough to tackle. Gil-galad has less fate but will beat anyone save Sauron and the Balrog in a tie combat, with +1 to wound. Also the fact he's D9 with a shield means that even if you're surrounded all you need do is shield because with 6; dice you're going to roll a 6 and auto-win (usually) Gil-Galad is D8 With shield...D7 without |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Elladan and Elrohir vs Glorfindel vs Gil-Galad |
He means F9 in that sentence hence he talks of rolling a 6 |
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