In reading the rule book I understand that Epic actions don't necessarily need to go in "The Queue" but rather when the formation is about to act. So can be declared when needed (I trust we have read this right). Here's a couple of questions that have popped up in our games.

1. The Dark Marshal can allow another formation to use his F. This happens at the start of the Fight Phase. Can the Dark Marshal call Epic Fight & then transfer it to another formation?

2. Depending on the outcome of the above answer if the formation then fights with a 10, If he transfers his F to a formation other than his own does his command company fight with his ordinary F or the boosted 10. And does this transfer to the leader of the formation if a Heroic duel is called against him, or only the formation?

3. Also on Epic actions - Say a formation has failed a Terror test, can I then call Epic Fight & which makes the F of the command company 10?

4. When does Gothmogs special rule which allows him to "immediately" call a heroic or epic action of the same type kick in? EG. A Hero on side "A" calls a Heroic Fight (This is the only Heroic action in the F phase) Gothmog is now able to call the same action (he's within his range) "immediately" & he does so. Is this now a situation where you need to roll off to see who goes first? What about if there are multiple Heroic fights - ie. A calls two & B calls one. (hope this makes sense)

4. Yes you need to roll off now if there's a chance the two will conflict with each other. If one side calls multiple you still only roll once though. If A wins the roll off then A resolves all of their Heroic Fights first.

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I would say yes (open to interpretation I think). All epic strike says is that it must be called before he fights and you give a formation his fight at the beginning of the phase so you would have to do it before the start of the fight phase.



Yes and yes. He is still fight 10 so his command company would use his fight 10 when attacking. Much like terror/blinding light (which was clarified in the FAQ) the entire formation is given his fight and that would also affect any heroes included.




Yes. Says so in the FAQ. Since terror happened earlier epic strike raises from 0-->10. They would still have fight 0 when determining how many dice the enemy gets on you though.



yes because they are heroics and they conflict so you have to roll off to see which happens first. It doesnt matter what order they are called in. The multiples would only be an issue if all three heroics were conflicting.

cheers Big T - this is what we thought, but worth checking with the community - some of the combinations of rules can make things curly sometimes.

I would think the second half of question 2 would be "no". the rules clearly distinguish between the formation and heroes, and with the rules stating that the formation uses his fight the troops would have a fight 10 but the heroes would not have a F10 for the duel.

similar to say Aragorn and faramir are in the command company. Aragorn calls an epic strike, Faramir would still have his own fight value were he to be dueled

the way my group plays it is a heroes fight is only given to his command company unless it says "given to the formation" (as is the case with celeborn and certain wood elves). but just because he gives his fight to a formation elf archers a hero in said formation would still be left with his own fight.

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This is true and I should have been more clear on this part.




This is wrong. While the rules do separate formations and heroes the FAQ that was published by GW a while back shows that its meant to played that if it affects the formation it also affects the hero. I think its important to distinguish between the fact that its his special rule that gives his fight and not covered under the regular "hero giving fight to command company" rules. In this case its similar to blinding light/terror in its wording and effect.

For example:

Terror and Blinding light would make the hero fight 0 for the ensuing fight phase despite it specifying the formation. This was the exact example given in the FAQ. The wraith's ability is along these same lines as it gives his fight to the formation. It even has similar wording.

Being disordered/transfixed stops both the formation from moving and the hero from changing formations despite both once again specifying the formation and with no mention of it affecting heros. Both these cases were once again specifically covered by the FAQ.

Im sure there are others but these are just off the top of my head.

The only exception to this is that a spirit hero will not take hits when its formation is hit by light of the valar spell which was specifically covered in the FAQ.