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| Author: | Dakkon Blackblade [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | "In the way" shots and cavalry (SBG) |
Hi all! Last evening me and my friend were introducing this game to another guy, so we created a little battle just to explain how it works. Using rohirrims i put one of my knights behind a big bush that was almost totally covering the horse, but left the knight uncovered (except for legs). My friend decided to shot at him with a uruk crossbowman, saying that the bush wasn't in the way cause he was aiming at the knight, that was taller. Was he right? Thanks for your answers Daniele |
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| Author: | CreatureFear [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:50 pm ] |
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This really depends on many factors (angle, position of the shooter, etc) - so I couldn't answer it very well unless I was there. The best thing to do is to lean forward and get a "model's eye view". Generally, if the model is on foot and does not have the high ground, then (under the circumstances you provided) the bush would likely be 'in the way'. How much of the legs were obscured? If the only thing sticking up, from the view of the shooter, is the torso then the bush is 'in the way'. If I remember correctly all shots directed at cavalry models count the horse as 'in the way' (at least they did in past rulesets, I do get them confused sometimes) - so if something is taking up the entire place of the horse, from the view of a shooter, I would think the obstacle counts as 'in the way' also. If you're really not sure take a string, hold it to the torso of the shooter and take the other end to the torso of the target - if the string is straight (and no part of the target is already obscured - this is not accurate if someone is standing behind a wall, for example) then the shooter doesn't need to roll 'in the way'. |
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| Author: | hithero [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:03 pm ] |
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A guy on a horse is the model, if any part of that model is obscured in some way (except tail) then an in the way roll is made. If that is successful, then you roll to hit mount or rider. |
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| Author: | CreatureFear [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:14 pm ] |
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hithero wrote: A guy on a horse is the model, if any part of that model is obscured in some way (except tail) then an in the way roll is made. If that is successful, then you roll to hit mount or rider.
Yes, but don't you roll to hit mount or rider because the horse as treated as if it were 'in the way'? |
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:15 pm ] |
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You don't treat the horse as "in the way" but rather as a possible target. The bush would be in the way because the mount and rider are a single model in SBG. If you fail that roll then the shot misses completely. If you pass the roll then you will hit either the horse or the rider. Roll d6, low is the horse, high is the rider. Now resolve the hit vs. the appropriate defense. |
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| Author: | Noddwyr [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:31 pm ] |
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Not to hijack the thread but would this work the same way for The GOlden King of Harad, since he and his carrying servants are considered one model. So even if you can see that golden king above the army,(see diagram below) you would still have to roll an in the way due to the guys in front of him right? ....xxxxxxxxx ...........G...... where x equals solidiers, and G the Golden King |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:25 am ] |
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Yes, the Golden King model includes the warriors holding him up, and they are obscured by the line of guys in front. |
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| Author: | Noddwyr [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:55 am ] |
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Thanks, thats what I thought. |
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| Author: | CreatureFear [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:31 am ] |
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Beowulf03809 wrote: You don't treat the horse as "in the way" but rather as a possible target.
The bush would be in the way because the mount and rider are a single model in SBG. If you fail that roll then the shot misses completely. If you pass the roll then you will hit either the horse or the rider. Roll d6, low is the horse, high is the rider. Now resolve the hit vs. the appropriate defense. I understand - in past versions of the game the rule was effectively the same, only it was stated that the horse was in the way (which, rules-wise had the same outcome as treating it as a 'possible target'). Treating them as one model does make it much simpler - thanks for clarifying that for me. |
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