Note: Deploy monsters on the flanks along the table edge.
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| Author: | madtankdog [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | monster "hurl" rule questions |
Played a game last night using new hobbit rules but couldn't find answers to two issues that arose during combat particularly new monster "hurl" rule so help be appreciated the first one when monster wins combat and can hurl a losing model it states in a straight line, can that be 360 degrees? so you could infact hurl the figure behind you? the second is if the hurled figure passes through figures and distance thrown results in the figure being thrown off the table? is that legal? as thrown model has left the table counts as dead ! await your thoughts |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
1. yes 2. I'd house rule a no. |
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| Author: | Jazlotus [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
I thought the answer to the 2nd would be yes. Because in last months white dwarf the game they play in the mag shows the goblin king hurling a dwarf off of the gaming table to his death. |
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| Author: | Wisedragon13 [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
In the White Dwarf the dwarve was thrown off a platform into the depths of goblin town. Different i would imagine than your standard board. Personally I could see how it could result in death, meaning a player would have to be cautious of that outcome when dealing with monsters. Then again it could easily go the otherway, I neither have found an official rule regarding that. |
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| Author: | rumtap [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Note: Deploy monsters on the flanks along the table edge.
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
rumtap wrote: Note: Deploy monsters on the flanks along the table edge. That depends on what monster. A Cave Drake for instance is better when trapped by models so would be better in the middle. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Jazlotus wrote: I thought the answer to the 2nd would be yes. Because in last months white dwarf the game they play in the mag shows the goblin king hurling a dwarf off of the gaming table to his death. I think that's because it's a special scenario, what with all the catwalks and everything. Not every battlefield is at the top of a cliff. In the normal rules, if you lose a fight you don't die because you're on the edge of the board and have to back up. Instead you're considered trapped. So throwing someone to the edge of the board gives you a chance to trap them...plenty of advantage already without an auto-kill. |
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| Author: | simmuskhan [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Can you compel someone off the board? I know that during a mumak stampede you can run them off the table. I'd have assumed being knocked off the board for any reason = casualty? |
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| Author: | madtankdog [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Many thanks for your thoughts its trying to prove that you can hurl in 360 degree direction without written proof ? and i will use the mumak example if the result happens again where i thow amodel off the table 
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| Author: | Jazlotus [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
The idea of being able throw an opponent off the board edge just means you gotta be careful of your position on the gaming table when coming up against a monster. Just like its stupid to have your Mumak real close to the board edge. I learned the hard way once, with my opponent stampeding my Mumak off the table to his death. Adds more tactical thinking.......shame I sometimes get too exited and forget to think in a game |
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Typically a player can move their model off the table themselves but an opponent cannot force one of your models off the board. They would just hit the edge and, if appropriate, be trapped. I think Sorcerous Blast is a good example of this. You can't blast someone off the table. You CAN blast someone (and I suggest hurl them) off a high piece of terrain and likely kill them in doing so. The Mumuk is different. It's 'out of control stampede' is a big random risk that the Mumuk player needs to keep in mind at all times. I have seen them ram into trees and other large terrain pieces, trample key parts of the owner's army, etc. If it gets close to the board edge you always try to move it away because otherwise you are guaranteed by the Fates that it will run off and die. I think the Mumuk is not a good reference to if you can hurl someone off the board. Blast is the closest mechanic in the game to hurling. |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
I 360 hurled a few great wins. Grimma I threw him 360 to put him no where near my battle line and trap him with inexpensive models. I hurled a hero behind my lines where I could get all 3 trolls on him and stomped on him. I hurled my tea all over my lap... oh wait, different story |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
by 360 i really mean exploit being able to turn 360.... in reality i threw him 150 and 165 respectively |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Beowulf03809 wrote: I think the Mumuk is not a good reference to if you can hurl someone off the board. Blast is the closest mechanic in the game to hurling. Yep, that sums it up for me. The Mumak is a special case in just about every regard. |
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Models have no 'front' facing in SBG. Although we typically turn our models to face our opponents in fights there is really no reason. So if you hurl a model I believe it can be in any direction. |
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| Author: | Grungehog [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Hurl is amazing, you can play troll tenis, throw a model from one troll to another when all your trolls are in combat, the other doesn't get knocked down, but your enemy will then your troll gets a massive bonus against the now trapped victim. btw never throw a model through a fight involving one of your one dwellers in the dark, it knocks em down too ie S5 |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
But the model that you hurled at your troll cannot take part in another fight, it would have to wait til next turn. |
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| Author: | TomBombadillo [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
Another question on Monster's "Hurl" attack - Let's say my Ent throws an orc 5 inches and 2 other orcs are in the line to recieve a STR 3 hit. If just previously either (or both) of those models were knocked prone (Bash, Cav charge, Natures Wrath, etc), do those prone models receive double the STR 3 hits because they are prone? I read in the rule book and if a model attacks a prone model, the attacking model recieves double "strikes". I guess in short, would the STR 3 hurl hit count as a strike same as a normal attack after a duel? Same question can be posed for a prone model being hit by a model flying backwards via Sorcerous Blast. Thanks all, |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
I think it would be more sensible to compare this to a projectile attack because that is what it is surely?? THey are not in combat so are not double hit. If you shoot a bow at a guy on the floor he doesn't take double hits. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: monster "hurl" rule questions |
cereal_theif wrote: If you shoot a bow at a guy on the floor he doesn't take double hits. Agreed... |
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