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 Post subject: Grey Company Bow Limit
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:02 am 
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Can someone explain to me how the Grey Company bow limit works?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:11 am 
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You can either have 1/3 bow limit not using Rangers of the North or you can take as many Rangers of Arnor as you like but must take a RotN for every 4. You cannot intermix these two types of bow limit.

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 Post subject: Re: Grey Company Bow Limit
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That's how it used to be, but it's not any more. A GC army can include any models from the Arnor list, including Warriors of Arnor. If you include a RotN or Dunedain for every 4 RoA, you can take as many RoA as you want and they can all still shoot.

Obviously this means if you take 24 WoA and 12 RoA, there is no point taking any RotN at all. You'd only use the option if you want to go above the 33% limit...in essence you can pick any "limit" you want, as long as you have enough RotN or Dunedain. If you wanted to take 16 WoA and 16 RoA, you'd need to add 4 RotN though, which is 100 points more expensive for minimal gain.

I'm not sure at what point, if any, it becomes worth it. GC used to be overpowered. Now I think they're underpowered, even with a 100% bow limit, because RotN are expensive, but still only have 1 wound.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:23 pm 
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whafrog wrote:
That's how it used to be, but it's not any more. A GC army can include any models from the Arnor list, including Warriors of Arnor. If you include a RotN or Dunedain for every 4 RoA, you can take as many RoA as you want and they can all still shoot.

Obviously this means if you take 24 WoA and 12 RoA, there is no point taking any RotN at all. You'd only use the option if you want to go above the 33% limit...in essence you can pick any "limit" you want, as long as you have enough RotN or Dunedain. If you wanted to take 16 WoA and 16 RoA, you'd need to add 4 RotN though, which is 100 points more expensive for minimal gain.

I'm not sure at what point, if any, it becomes worth it. GC used to be overpowered. Now I think they're underpowered, even with a 100% bow limit, because RotN are expensive, but still only have 1 wound.


How is what you're saying any different than what Narsil said?
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GWvsJohn wrote:
whafrog wrote:
SNIP.


How is what you're saying any different than what Narsil said?

Narsil said you can't have Warrior of Arnor and Rangers of the North in the same army list whereas whafrog said what I said yesterday, that you can use them both but you have to choose which bow limit you will follow (either 33% or 4 RoA per RotN) i.e. ou can take 2 warbands of Rangers of Arnor, (24 total) with 8 Rangers of the North, and then take a Warband of 12 Warriors of Arnor.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:07 am 
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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
GWvsJohn wrote:
whafrog wrote:
SNIP.


How is what you're saying any different than what Narsil said?

Narsil said you can't have Warrior of Arnor and Rangers of the North in the same army list whereas whafrog said what I said yesterday, that you can use them both but you have to choose which bow limit you will follow (either 33% or 4 RoA per RotN) i.e. ou can take 2 warbands of Rangers of Arnor, (24 total) with 8 Rangers of the North, and then take a Warband of 12 Warriors of Arnor.


Well that's no fun. Makes it very hard to fit Isildur's Heir into a very "ranger" army at 500 points that isn't hella small :)
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 Post subject: Re: Grey Company Bow Limit
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Yes, that's why they aren't particularly competitive any more.

And, I meant 6 Rangers of the North.

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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
Yes, that's why they aren't particularly competitive any more.

And, I meant 6 Rangers of the North.


I'm more concerned about fun than competitiveness :)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:58 pm 
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They don't seem particularly uncompetitive, I mean Aragorn for any army at five hundred is a bit pricey.

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They don't seem particularly uncompetitive, I mean Aragorn for any army at five hundred is a bit pricey.

Is your signature from the Lego movie, by the way?

As for competitively, it depends what pts you want to use them at, and allies, at 1000pts you can get Elladan/Elrohir, who are seriously undercosted.

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It is indeed from the Lego Movie...
Didn't think I would see a better animated film than Frozen for at least a few years, and yet I was wrong.

Anyway, yeah, the guy just mentioned trying to fit "Isildur's Heir into a very "ranger" army at five hundred points". Trying to fit Aragorn even before now would just get you nuked. Unlike the elf twins, I don't think Aragorn's undercosted. He's better the longer the game is, and he's very good, but he does come at a price. A price I would say, that is way too steep for 500. The twins on the other hand, would smash at that level since they are just raw destructive power.

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 Post subject: Re: Grey Company Bow Limit
PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:59 am 
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When I said you cannot intermix these two I meant the two types of bow limit.

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