Siege rules.

Gharnukk · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm **Posts:** 26

Greetings! I'm picking up LOTR after about seven years off.
Played a testgame this saturday, a siege battle and my opponent
told me that the attacking player has twice as much points as the
defending side. I cant find anything about that in the rulebook.
Would be thankful for any help that I can get.

TheGoblinTacticus · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:18 pm **Posts:** 43

guess it would be fair, but there is only mentioned in the rulebook that mostly the attacker has much more points than the defender.

Maybe it depends on the fortress (I would be more scared of Minas Tirith than Isengard...) but I think twice the points is quite fair.

whafrog · **Posted:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:17 pm

It's not a rule, just a suggestion, though double seems a bit much depending on the scenario. Just MHO, but sieges are best done as part of a scenario with several objectives. Otherwise it can get pretty boring with few tactics and lots of rolling to no effect.

Gharnukk · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm **Posts:** 26

Thanks for the replies! This game was 1100 points for him and I had 550 (Obviously). He played the forces of evil with a mix of Easterlings and Mordor
and I defended with a Gondor force of Minas Tirith and Dol Amroth. We included a siege tower, 8 ladders and a battering ram.
And once he reached the walls with the ladders and the tower the fortress was overrun (It was 2 walls, 2 towers and 1 gate).
My Warriors of Minas Tirith didn't last long against the Easterlings who can fight in three ranks. My left flank got slaughtered
as it was there the tower hit me but in the right flank I had 12 Knights of Dol Amroth and Imrahil and they slew 20+ Orcs who came
up from the ladders. But when the game ended I only had Imrahil, 5 Knights of Dol amroth on foot and 4 Knights
of Minas Tirith left while my opponent had maybe 30 Easterlings and around 20 Orcs. The easterlings was on the left wall and had entered the courtyard
from the tower and the orcs had smashed through the gate and my poor 4 knights tried to fight the orcs off. Imrahil and the brave Swan warriors had fought their
Way through Orcs, Mordor Uruk-Hai and both Gorbag and Shagrat when the game ended. The game turned out a draw just because my opponent realised that Imrahil
alone could have slayed every Orc and Easterling if given enough time as he had all he's M, W and F left. And after the game I thought that Twice the points seems so
much and If it weren't for Imrahil this game would have been a one sided slaughter.

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

the rulebook suggests that the defending side should have about 75% of the size of the attacking force and the attackers should also have 2 siege towers, 8 ladders and one battering ram for every 500 points of models on the evil side.

Gharnukk · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm **Posts:** 26

How does it work with the ladders if the model who are on top of the ladder falls
and there are other models on it? Do they also risk to be knocked down?

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

models on a falling ladder take standard falling damage (1 strength 3 hit for every full inch fallen)

Gharnukk · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm **Posts:** 26

Yes but I'm talking about a model falling while the ladder is still against the wall and there are several models on the ladder.
Do the falling model "hit" the guys climbing the ladder?

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

Yes each model on the ladder has to roll a dice and on the result of a 1-3 they fall off as well.

Gharnukk · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm **Posts:** 26

Thank you for the reply. The reason why I'm asking is that I asked the same question to my opponent
and he said that the only one who falls is the one falling (duh) because it would take too much time to
roll for all models on the ladder. Thanks again for clearing that up!

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

I know what you mean about arguing with your opponents over certain rules but i find i will come here to confirm how correct i was, then when the same rule pops up and we have a disagreement, for example a hasharins stalk useen rule, a common opponent of mine believes it means the hasharin CANNOT be shot from more than 6" under any circumstance whereas i say no it simply counts as having an elven cloak and thus has to be partially concealed. Anyway what im saying is getting a rule cleaned up online often won't resolve an issue, they will still argue their point with you even if you say "i am right i looked it up"

If you're using a particularly large ladder then why not let him roll for every model on the ladder at once and choose which models fall and which do not, that way it is still relatively fair.

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:22 pm

I don't have the big One Ring book, just the MoM edition and that paperback doesn't include the siege rules. However, doesn’t the core rules (including the MoM book…which I just don’t have with me today) cover climbing (such as climbing steep slopes / cliffs)? I thought I had read before about climbing and that if someone falls and there is anyone else behind/below them they need to make a roll. It doesn’t come up much in our games so I probably haven’t looked this up for a few years, and maybe it was a house rule, but it seems pretty familiar.

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