Hepp,

I'm going up against a Mordor/Isengard combo in a months time. I'll be bringing an alliance of Númenor, Arnor and Minas Tirith...

Will be meeting a combination of hard hitting phalanxes, Saruman/Grima and Ringwraiths (2 or 3 (Wich King, Khamûl or The Undying)) one of them (at least) will be on a fellbeast (large game ~1200 pts).

Any advice as to how to deal with all this evil? Using (mainly) the above mentioned armies?

Cheers

I would recommend some low point troops to deal with the ringwraiths (dripfeeding), and, keep your troops, especially warriors of arnor, close to high courage heroes. Numenor troops should be used as spearsupport, as their fight is great for that kind of things.

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you will have a really hard time if you are using only armies of men. The amount of magic your opponent can cast is impressive: the undying will never die. Your opponent may immobilize your strongest heroes for as long as he needs.

As Arnor, you will need Malbeth the Seer to save as much wounds as he can. But he will be top target for those nazgul, so he will probably suffer a shower of Black Darts.
Arnor spearmen will have their courage reduced to 1. so you may want to add Halbarad with Banner also.

Against such an army, you really need to ally the new Galadriel. Two nazgul and saruman is a combination that can turn the most powerful men heroes (Boromir, Aragorn) to dust in few turns.

Alas I do not have Galadriel, plenty of elves, but no galadriel, and I want to keep the elves out of this as much as possible I am considering Gildor or Radagast or both for some magic though. He will then probably try to break the Staff. I don't know if that is such a big problem really... Transfix is a different matter...

Yes, grab a wizard or two, or a wizard and Malbeth, something...

You should be able to out number him by quite a bit since everything he seems to be taking is expensive, both the heros and the troops. If you throw enough at him he can't transfix it all!

Some S3 bows would put a few nice kinks in those pike blocks before ranks close, also.

I just found out a regular ent is fairly cheap points wise (imo), so maybe on of those would be nice.

I think that I'm some 10-15 models ahead of him with the current lists, I'll loose much of that advantage if I include Radagast...

It's more difficult than expected. I'd much rather focus on tactics than list building (sic). Originally he was bringing along 3 full phalanxes, but after recent success with transfix vs my elves he has turned his attention towards wraiths, magic and monsters.

The way I see it, there are two paths forward. One is to stick with numbers trying to get a 20-25 model advantage. The other is to fill up with as many low to mid range heros that he won't be able to cover all of them and only maintaining a core of troops.

The heros I know will go into the list are:
Isildur
Captain of Numenor w. horse, armour, shield and lance
Halbarad w. banner
Malbeth
Faramir w. Horse, armour, lance and shield

Heros I'am considering:
Radagst
Gildor
Twins (on foot)
Captain of Gondor
Knight of the White Tower
Alfred
Cirion
Madril
King of the Dead

I don't think that Gildor can help you at all. Low defence, low might. A good sap will and he becames pretty useless. And I'd discard the Knight of the White Tower. Has a good fight, yes, but low might and suffer a penalty to benefit from the White Sword rule (and the 2 wounds, unlike Orcrist and Thyrdan strikes, may be avoided with one fate)

the twins are good because they can also lead arnor troops. You get them both Elven cloaks (so that spellcaster have to get out of their safe zone) and Heavy armor and give them 11 arnor soldier. They bring lots of might to the battlefield, but you have to try anything to keep them both alive.

Halbarad with banner can help you stop the nazgul. The moment you got priority, you charge, trying to sap the nazgul wills. But there's a problem.
1) Khamul will kill it and restore the will point lost.
2) The Undying has plenty of ways to restore his will.
3) A Nazgul on fell beast will probably Throw the model to increase the killing or use the pseudo-heroic fight (don't remember the name) to charge some juicier target.
Stopping the nazgul for a turn, however, will prevent them from using magic. That's why you really need to have as much priority has possibile. (i.e: tons of might points)

If you like to gamble, you could use the ring with Isidur and use him to charge saruman. More attacks, highter fight, and Saruman cannot target him. However, you'll have to shield isildur from Nazguls.

Thanks for some good feedback guys!

What about bringing in som dead guys with shield backed by Numenor spears?

Could maybe work. If you own several kits, use the axemen with shields, not the swordsmen. Do NOT use that kind of formation against high courage, low defence troops however. I would try it against, for example, a troll or some orcs

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I'll be making proxies, based on whfb skeletons, but nice input! Thx!! (We generally do not allow sculpting/changing handweapons (axes on elves...), but this is a little different, still I need to check with my opponent first )

Yeah, as the dead has axes sculpted on them by default, I think it would be allowed. Good luck, May the force be with you, I think you must choose your army wisely in this game.

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blades of the dead doesn't stack with special strikes btw

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Take some rangers of ithilien(not gondor, also with spear for later cc) and some rangers of the north. Send them out as packs to hunt down that fell beast and saruman. Saruman is only d5 and once your opponent realises that you are hunting saruman he will protect him, when he does that shoot at the fell beast. Two packs can easily cover the whole table. Use the ranger of the north might to wound while shooting. Stay out of close combat until you get the shooting set up, don't rush in, mordor/Isengaurd do not have great shooting but do have a lot of d5. Unless he comes with crossbows. Play your game, in order for his fell beast not to get shot it will have to get into combat, to stay safe in the face of a hero he will have to cast, use heroic strike to bring your F value back up, get as many models as possible in on the fell beast fight when you know you can fight evenly. The twins are great nazgul hunters for this reason. Once things get close to breaking on your side spread those rangers of the north around so their stand fast will keep your WoMT/Arnor around.

As a complete aside- radagast on sled is a beast, woodland creature special rule and when charging has 5 attacks at F5 and S4. Absolute beast. Can see behind rocks/trees/houses etc. for spell casting. Almost nothing is out of range with a 10 inch movement. Panic steed, immobilise, renew for heroes- All for under 200pts.

Here is something I would take: Maybe remove the fountain court units and try to get another banner and regular WoMT. This is about 1200 points, 80 models no radagast on sleigh but he would be easy to fit in by removing one RotN and Madrils ccompany and still have some points left over.
Warband 1
12/12
Faramir, Captain of Gondor with armoured horse; Heavy armour; Lance; Shield;
12 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;

Warband 2
12/12 Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad
10 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
1 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Banner;
1 Warrior of Minas Tirith with War horn; Shield;

Warband 3
12/12
Madril, Captain of Ithilien
10 Ranger of Ithilien with Spear;
2 Guard of the Fountain Court

Warband 4
12/12
Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien
6 Ranger of Ithilien with Spear;
6 Guard of the Fountain Court

Warband 1
12/12
Malbeth the Seer
12 Warrior of Arnor

Warband 2
12/12
Elladan and Elrohir with Heavy armour;
11 Warrior of Arnor

Warband 3
Ranger of the North with Spear;

Warband 4
Ranger of the North with Spear;

Warband 5
Ranger of the North with Spear;

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Thank you very much! A lot of good input!

Even At 1200 points one needs to make compromises and prioritise.

Numbers vs Heros (I will be adding Alfred and 12 Lake Town guards)
Wizard or not?

One I'm struggeling with is wether to take Halbarad w. banner or the Twins. I can fit both, but would then need to drop Radagast as not to loose to many troops.

What would you guys do?
Twins vs Halbarad?
Twins + Halbarad vs Radagast?

Too many rangers of Gondor (16 on 32 model) The rangers of the north only allow to have Rangers of Arnor, which means that they need a Arnor hero.

Well, the gondor rangers are upgraded with spear to be the fight 4 spear support for the WoMT. It would be easy to just swap some out for more WoMT because there is no shortage of spear support with the warriors of arnor in there. But the Rangers of the north are independent heroes that can not lead warbands. They are there to kill the fell beast or saruman and provide high courage for stand fasts. That will be needed with two wraiths running around lowering courage. A horn blower can only do so much.
This was meant to be a shooting army to keep the spell casters contained. Every one of them hits on a 3+ so even if they move they have a 50/50 chance to hit. 19 shots, 3 that are mightable is nothing to sneeze at. The tactical decision is when to pull the Rangers in and stop shooting.

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You got me wrong. The mistake is not in having a lot of rangers. Is in having THAT kind of Rangers. The Gondor force bow limit is 33%, but in you list 50% of gondor models have a bow. Therefore, that army is illegal.
Grey Company special rule allows the player to field four rangers of arnor for each Ranger of the north, but that means they have to be lead by an Arnor hero.


This is a 605 points Arnor contingent

Warband 1
Malbeth the Seer
12 Rangers of Arnor (6 with spear)

Warband 2
Elladan & Elrohir (with Heavy Armour and Elven Cloak)
11 Rangers of Arnor (6 with Spear)

Warband 3-4-5-6-7-8 (deployment Drop)
Ranger of the North

29 bowmen. But is quite fragile, so one may need infantry. Enter Minas Tirith.

Warband 9
Faramir w/HA, Spear, horse
6 Minas Tirith w/shield
6 Guards of the Fountain Court w/shield

Warband 10 (deploy in front of Malbeth's warband)
Berengod
6 Minas Tirith w/shield
6 rangers of Gondor w/spear

for a total of 936 points, 36 good archers (7 with might to spend)

at this point, one could use the remaing 364 points to spam troops, either as Gondor, Arnor or Numenor, or to put some powerhouse in the game.

Hepp,

Here is the current EVIL list



Now he is turning towards shooting

Or is it all a ruse....

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