Who should have won battle of helms deep

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

who should have won the battle of helms deep

spuds4ever · **Posted:** Sat May 29, 2010 8:14 pm

It was a white wash at the end as Gandalf and Eomer's riders came so I then I don't think the uruks stood a chance.

Azrael · **Posted:** Sat May 29, 2010 8:28 pm

Well imo isengard should have won... its just ridiculous how these few men and elven (even if they had great heros) won against those maybe 10k uruks... Ok there was that final cavalry charge with gandalf but actually the horses would have been shredded by those pikes altough if they overran the first rows... :roll:

whafrog · **Posted:** Sat May 29, 2010 8:34 pm

Azrael wrote:

Ok there was that final cavalry charge with gandalf but actually the horses would have been shredded by those pikes altough if they overran the first rows... :roll:

That was one of the dumbest scenes in the movie. The horses would never have made it down that slope in the first place. They would have rolled, tumbled, legs breaking, Riders flying...and the uruks would have sat there laughing.

The_Dragon_of_Moria · **Posted:** Sat May 29, 2010 8:42 pm

whafrog wrote:

That was one of the dumbest scenes in the movie. The horses would never have made it down that slope in the first place. They would have rolled, tumbled, legs breaking, Riders flying...and the uruks would have sat there laughing.

I was thinking the same thing. Although the tumbling horses could have caused an avalanche which would have flooded the valley with debris and no one would have one. :-D

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

the uruk-hai would have killed theoden and aragon when they rode out
there were too many uruk-hai that could have killed them

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

It depends, the book and the movie are really different...
It was a nice battle, but somewhat a bit unbelievable, still it is LotR, so it is good, what ever the outcome was.

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

ye, but i still think that the uruk-hai should have killed at least half of eomers riders

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

The problem with the films was that the loser gets slaughtered.
The uruks get slaughtered, WoMT get slaugthered.. at some points the orcs, then the elves..

hobbitsrule22 · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 11:13 am

in the book eomers there from the start the army is mostly made of dunlenders the uraks are the elites and the huorns (trees) finished off the urak hai gandalfs charge just scared them away. also the elves dont come and there are a hell of alot more rohan inside the fortress. so neither should have won it was the ents/huorns that finished off the uraks so i presume rohan includes the ents so im voting rohan :yay:

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

that is true, but isengard still have the better warriors, and there are more of them than there are rohan

hobbitsrule22 · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 11:53 am

remember the huorns a moving forest there are probably 10k of huorns there

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

ye, so

hobbitsrule22 · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 11:57 am

about 5k rubbish men and 3k uraks approx in book who run v 10k ent like creatures i need to make a poll on this

Karvag · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 199

dont bother

Elros of Numenor · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 11:08 am

hobbitsrule22 wrote:

in the book eomers there from the start the army is mostly made of dunlenders the uraks are the elites and the huorns (trees) finished off the urak hai gandalfs charge just scared them away.

Most of us have read the book.....

Remember that the two versions of the battle (book and movie) are VERY different, as imrail has already said.

hobbitsrule22 wrote:

about 5k rubbish men and 3k uraks approx in book who run v 10k ent like creatures

there were more than 10,000 uruks as well as dunland men in the book. and where'd you get 10,000 huorns from? also the huorns were more like trees than ents. :no:

:no:

"the uruk-hai would have killed theoden and aragon when they rode out "

but they didn't, because the men were on horses going at full speed.

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

Elros of Numenor wrote:

"the uruk-hai would have killed theoden and aragon when they rode out "

but they didn't, because the men were on horses going at full speed.

I think everyone would react different if you stood in the shoes of an uruk, human or whatsoever.

The fun thing is, that you can reenact a battle like that, or.. well with a couple of thousand man, but still, it is possible.

theblackcaptain · **Posted:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:29 am

In the books gandalf arrived with Erkenbrand and 1000 men on foot, which by themselves would have never stood a chance against the host of isengard. theoden had already been just barely holding out at helms deep with 2000 so 1000 men on foot outside the walls would have still been overwhelmed once the uruks had realized it was only 1000 men they were fighting and not an entire army. the real kicker was the big forest that had arrived behind the isengard forces, they were terrified of the trees, and for good reason. The combined confusion of theodens suicidal charge, gandalfs timely arrival and the sudden presence of a large sentient forest in their to their rear was just too many psychological blows for the uruks to take and they routed and fled into the trees which ultimately took their very brutal revenge on them. The vicotry at helms deep would have not been possible without the hurons. Remove hurons = isengard vicotry. Add hurons = rohan victory

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

theblackcaptain wrote:

In the books gandalf arrived with Erkenbrand and 1000 men on foot, which by themselves would have never stood a chance against the host of isengard. theoden had already been just barely holding out at helms deep with 2000 so 1000 men on foot outside the walls would have still been overwhelmed once the uruks had realized it was only 1000 men they were fighting and not an entire army. the real kicker was the big forest that had arrived behind the isengard forces, they were terrified of the trees, and for good reason. The combined confusion of theodens suicidal charge, gandalfs timely arrival and the sudden presence of a large sentient forest in their to their rear was just too many psychological blows for the uruks to take and they routed and fled into the trees which ultimately took their very brutal revenge on them. The vicotry at helms deep would have not been possible without the hurons. Remove hurons = isengard vicotry. Add hurons = rohan victory

It sure is, and that is why Merry and Pippin where so important to Gandalf if they stayed in Fangorn forest.

hobbitsrule22 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:52 am

tolkien is so smart the way he put that one together

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