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 Post subject: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:01 am 
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Am New to SBG and LOTR in general and decided to get Galadhrim on top of my evil Isengard. I've come up with 4 ifferent 700pt lists and I hope that you like them.

Galadriel War aspect
Rumil, Warden of Caras Galadhon
12 Galadhrim with Elven blade
12 Galdrhim with spear and shield
12 Galadhrim with elven bows
4 Galadhrim knights with shield
2 Galadhrim knights with bow
3 Guards of the Galadrhim court

693 points 47 models 6 mights 14 bows

Haldir defender of Helms deep
Floi Stonehand
6 Iron guard
5 Guards of the Galadrhim court
14 Galadhrim with bows
14 Galadhrim with spears
14 Galdhrim with spears and shield

55 models 4 might 14 bows (6 TW) 696 points

Haldir with Elf bow and armour
Gildor inglorion
elven stormcaller
3 Guards of the Galadhrim court
8 Galadhrim with elven bows
8 Galadrhim with elven blades
8 Galadhrim with spear and shield
8 Wood elves with throwing weapons
8 wood elves with Elven bow
8 Wood elves with Wood elf spears

54 models 5 might 18 bow shots (throwing weapons) 696 points

Glorfindel lord of the west on Asfaloth
Galadhrim captain with elven bow
8 Galadhrim knights with shield
4 Galadhrim knigths with elven bow
10 wood elf warriors with elven bow
10 wood elf warriors with throwing weapons
10 wood elf warriors with wood elf spears

693 points 44 models 14 bows (10 tw) 5 MIGHT

:D So there are the lists. Hope you like. :wink:
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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:21 am 
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I like the flavour of the third list. If you changed all the Galadhrim bowmen to wood elves with bows, you'd save enough to either give almost all of them spears too, or take another Guard.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:24 pm 
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The first list appeals most to me, and the fourth least.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:41 am 
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Here is a combination list which I believe combines the best of the 3 lists.

Galadriel war aspect
Rumil Warden of Caras Galadhon
8 Wood elves with wood elf spear
8 Galadhrim with spear and shield
8 Galadhrim with Elven bow
8 wood elves with throwing weapons
8 Wood elves with Elven bow
3 Gurads of the Galadhrim court
6 Galadhrim knights with shield

51 models 16 bows (8TW) 6 mights 699pts

Is it an improvement on those lists?

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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:05 am 
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A few changes I would make. Swap the galadhrim archers out for wood elf archers as D3 isn't going to make a difference to evil archery. It could be risky, but you could try swapping out Rumil for Cirdan as the war aspect and aura of dismay could work well if you're in a pickle. IDK if GotGC are worth it. I've never played them but it seems F6 pikes with only D5 and 12 points is slightly pointless. I might swap them out for 4 wood elves w throwing daggers. Other than that, it looks pretty solid. But it may struggle to counter lots of evil competitive stuff like SL and SQ and a shade could devastate your line.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:23 am 
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Thanx for feedback.
I agree on your points and a way to neutralise shadow lord and other named ringwraiths would be to add in Floi Stonehand. Despite his fun special ability he is also a decent combat hero. Alongside him I could add some Iron guard to get some Iron hard(geddit?) combat elite.Also I know that GotGC seem a bit of a strange concept but they could be a great way to neutralise dwarf and Uruk heroes.
Here's the revised list (more fun than previous one and hopefully more competitive :-D ):

Galadriel War aspect
Floi Stonehand
8 Galadhrim with spears and shields
8 Wood elves with wood elf spear
16 Wood elves with elven bow
8 Wood elves with throwing weapon
4 Iron guard
5 Galadhrim knights

51 models 16 bows (12 TW) 4 might 700pts

I actually think this last list would work reasonably well 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:40 am 
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Like it :)

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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:35 pm 
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the knights are already overpriced units, and you have on hero to lead them, so i would strongly suggest dropping them, also, why do you have galadrim w/ shields AND spears? if they have spears they should be in teh back row, but then the shields are usless, so make them wood elves.
you have throwing daggers -good
you could either get more throwing daggers in the front line or get some khazards as front line
your low on numbers, so make the iron guard khazard guard (much needed D7)

since if you do all this you would have shaved of quite a lot of points for stuff that would have been mostly usless, with those extra points i would suggest maxing on elven bows, and getting some throwing daggers or khazards
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:25 pm 
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Shadowswarm wrote:
the knights are already overpriced units, and you have on hero to lead them, so i would strongly suggest dropping them, also, why do you have galadrim w/ shields AND spears? if they have spears they should be in teh back row, but then the shields are usless, so make them wood elves.
you have throwing daggers -good
you could either get more throwing daggers in the front line or get some khazards as front line
your low on numbers, so make the iron guard khazard guard (much needed D7)

since if you do all this you would have shaved of quite a lot of points for stuff that would have been mostly usless, with those extra points i would suggest maxing on elven bows, and getting some throwing daggers or khazards


The reason why he has galadhrim with shields and spears is that you can swap elven blades for spears for free and there's no point with the elven blades when you have shields. I would just replace the knights with iron guard myself. Keep them behind your ranks and then send them out on the flanks at the right time.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:25 am 
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The spears replace elven blades for flexibility and the Galadhrim knights are in there for a strong counter punch and also because I need an extremely mobile element in the force. If my opponent decides to sit back and volley fire then I will need an aggresive unit that can easily reach the enym in the minimum amount of time. Also with The Galadhrim knights 12 inch move they should almost never be charged. Personally I don't think that Khazad guard will serve me better than Iron guard with one less atack and no throwing weapons. The Iron guard are my flankers while my Gladhrim knights are my archer hunters.

Shadowswarm I must agree with you that throwing wepons would be really useful but putting them in would mean sacrificing either my Gladhrim knights or my Iron guard neither of which I am wlling to get rid of. Although I might exchange 1 Galadhrim knight for another Iron Guard and 2 more throwing wepons for my wood elves.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:14 pm 
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Im still STRONGLY against the knights, cause sure you'll get the first charge, but afterwards they will die, your opponent will call a heroic...
they are also TERRIBLE archer hunters cause they will just get shot if their charging the archers, and even if they work thats ALOT of points worth of stuff just to stop a few shots. you already have galadrial so dont bother hunting archers

you could get 8or 9 extra warriors for your battle line which will REALLY help since your elves....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:44 am 
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Thanks for all the advice everyone.
Shadowswarm I have to agree with you that Galadhrim Knights are overpirced and with regars to the archer hunter role I was just rying to make up a reason for their inclusion as I love their models and the idea of elven cavalry :( .
So here is a newly revised list.

Galadriel War aspect
Floi Stonehand
12 Galadhrim with shield and spear
8 Wood elves with throwing weapons
10 Wood elves with wood elf spear
2 Wood elves
16 wood elves with elven bow
5 Iron Guard


55 models 16 bows (17 TW) 4 might

There you go. With 3 more models than previously and more shields, I think this list still is reasonably themed and will definitely hold its oown against most other lists. Constructive critism still needed.


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Looks good 8). One note, why not give all the galadhrim spears as they can get them for free and elven blades are no different to hand weapons when you have shields.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:08 pm 
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Yep, all your galadhrim with shields should have spears. Also, I think you have one too many bowmen.

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why do you have galadrim w/ shields AND spears? if they have spears they should be in teh back row, but then the shields are usless, so make them wood elves.


@Shadowswarm -- you need the latest galadhrim rules (check the GW WD archives), they start with an elven blade and can swap to spears for free...IOW you can't save any points by dropping the blades and not taking spears.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:53 am 
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Thanks for pointing out the slight over enthusiasm with the bows, just edited the list. Had to replace two wood elves with wood elf spear with two normal wood elves.

On tactics, I thought maybe having a Galadhrim centre two models deep with Iron Guard on the right led by Floi Stonehand. On the right have the throwing weapon wood elves and two basic wood elves backed up by wood elves with wood elf spear. Place Galadriel in the centre so the highest amount of people possible can benefit from Blinding light and then place the wood elf archers at the back.
Any advice welcomed, please comment.
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 Post subject: Re: 700 pt Galadhrim lists, need advice
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:20 pm 
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I like the first one.
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