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 Post subject: Warg riders
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:44 pm 
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Hi.
You'll realise how new i am from this question I'm sure but i have a group of warg riders for my Isengard army. I just had this thought that it is possible for the warg to be killed but the rider survive so i would need a model to represent him. Any suggestions as to what models would be suitable?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:03 pm 
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Warg Riders are Orcs, so you use Orc Warrriors of course.

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It is entirely possible! It's also possible the rider is killed and the warg fights on!

As such, you should consider picking up some generic mordor orc's and painting them up, about 1 for every 2 warg units you field, or if you want to, match shields and paint jobs 1-1 so you have an exact model ready to go should his... valiant? steed fails.

You should also consider either not gluing your model to the warg so when the rider is slain the warg can fight on, or purchase a wild warg for this rarer event, or place a token beside or on the unit to signify the rider is no longer among the living.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:34 pm 
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Yes that helps a lot, thanks very much.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Remember to represent a dismounted rider with an orc of similar wargear if possible. Sword and shield riders are easy enough to represent as are riders with bows - it's all fairly self-explanatory. However, riders with throwing spear will have to drop their spear if dismounted and draw a hand weapon. This is tricky if they don't have a shield because then you will need an orc with handweapon and no shield no represent him. Same deal if you happen to have a rider with just a handweapon and no shield. Either customise some orcs on foot to represent these models or use markers :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:50 am 
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The wargs themselves don't usually die and the orc survive.. Usually its the other way around as if the orcs dead the warg usually ends up running away anyway. Plus im pretty sure orcs arent that much harder to kill. Pretty much if you win a fight always say you are going to wound the orc not the warg. So it should be pretty unlikely that you will end up with an orc with just a handweapon.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:05 am 
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I had been looking at the boxes of mordor orcs thinking none seemed right for the dismounted throwing spears. Being new to all this i haven't tried any customising before, but on the bright side as i have no mordor army and therefore on great need for 12 orcs i should have plenty of bits spare. I think i might have some spare shields with the warg riders too so I'll have a go!
I can imagine its not common to be left with the orc but being evil and uruks not being the best with bows there is always a chance my own shots will hit it!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:11 pm 
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ncea wrote:
The wargs themselves don't usually die and the orc survive.. Usually its the other way around as if the orcs dead the warg usually ends up running away anyway. Plus im pretty sure orcs arent that much harder to kill. Pretty much if you win a fight always say you are going to wound the orc not the warg. So it should be pretty unlikely that you will end up with an orc with just a handweapon.


Have you ever played with wargs vs enemy archers? There's a 50/50 chance of that arrow hitting your warg instead and it's even easier to kill than a shielded orc provided it's a man bow shooting (same chance for elf bow). Last time I played with wargs, my captain and about two riders ended up getting their warg shot from under them. In fact, if I remember rightly, the captain lost his warg in close combat, when my savvy opponent elected to strike the warg instead, thus improving his chances of wounding and greatly reducing my captain's effectiveness. Against a hero with fate and multiple wounds it is often better to kill the mount first to level the playing field a bit. On top of this, you have a small chance to get a free Str3 hit if he rolls poorly on the thrown rider chart and he will then be prone!
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Orcs have to discard their throwing spears when dismounted. I just give all of mine shields, no bows or throwing spears, so when the warg dies I just stick in an orc with a shield.

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oredds wrote:
ncea wrote:
The wargs themselves don't usually die and the orc survive.. Usually its the other way around as if the orcs dead the warg usually ends up running away anyway. Plus im pretty sure orcs arent that much harder to kill. Pretty much if you win a fight always say you are going to wound the orc not the warg. So it should be pretty unlikely that you will end up with an orc with just a handweapon.


Have you ever played with wargs vs enemy archers? There's a 50/50 chance of that arrow hitting your warg instead and it's even easier to kill than a shielded orc provided it's a man bow shooting (same chance for elf bow). Last time I played with wargs, my captain and about two riders ended up getting their warg shot from under them. In fact, if I remember rightly, the captain lost his warg in close combat, when my savvy opponent elected to strike the warg instead, thus improving his chances of wounding and greatly reducing my captain's effectiveness. Against a hero with fate and multiple wounds it is often better to kill the mount first to level the playing field a bit. On top of this, you have a small chance to get a free Str3 hit if he rolls poorly on the thrown rider chart and he will then be prone!


Btw my post was all about combat and the fight phase i never actually mentioned shooting.. thats why I said USUALLY not all the time, archers are that small chance that the wargs would die instead of the orcs. plus i play on a pretty damn small board so there isn't that much shooting going on at the start of the game and well i like it that way. Also we are not talking about heros.. heros don't really have that problem where theres no foot version of them so thats not even an issue but yes i agree if your vsing a mounted hero its good to kill the mount first. Agian we are not talking about the shielded orcs we are talking about the ones with throwing weapons. The ones with throwing weapons are just as likely to die as the wargs as they have the same def. But still even if you are vsing a warg rider with a shield then it would still be smarter to kill the orc first so that way its very unlikely you have to deal with the warg, If you kill the warg first you are going to have to then try and kill the orc unless you get lucky and he fails the thrown rider chart and gets hit by the str3 hit.
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