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mastermanje · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:35 pm

Rivendel Knights: Points: 20
F S D A W C
6/3 3 5 1 1 5
Wargear: heavy armour, double blades of Rivendel(choose between two handed, 2 attacks or shielding with 3 attacks each fight phase)
Rules:
Dead worthy a Song: When the leader of the warband that contains this knight is killed, the Rivendel Knight get's 1+fight, but his defence is downed by 1.
Elven Steed,woodland creature: see the Galadhrim Knight rules

I'm still working on some whole armies, they will be posted soon

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Thats way way too iverpowered. It costs the same as a Morgul Knight but has Fight 6, 2 or 3 attacks, and becomes fight 7 if a leader (proabably a cheap one) is killed. That is reallly really bad. They should have base fight 5, and rather than 2-3 attacks, 1-2, or cost it 30pts.

Alatar of Rhun · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:07 pm

Why not give them shields, lance and Terror and F6 A2 and make them 25 points?

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:14 pm

Rivendel Knight points: 24
F S D A W C
5/3 3 5 1 1 5

Wargear: heavy armour, warspears of Rivendel(used like a lance on charge, used like a shield when being charged first.
Rules:
Dead worthy a Song: When the leader of the warband that contains this knight is killed, the Rivendel Knight get's 1+strength, but his defence is downed by 1.
Elven Steed,woodland creature: see the Galadhrim Knight rules

Chris GoM · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:42 pm

Personally I think the Dead worthy a song should be when the army general (or a chosen hero) dies, because if you have multiple warbands with Rivendell Knights in it could get very confusing, especially in larger battles

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:56 pm

Is it not also "end worthy of song" or perhaps "death worthy of song" as "dead worthy..." makes little sense.

It's less overpowered now, but rather than the spear becomes a shield, how about they may use the shielding rule, even though they are mounted, and may do so even if other combatants choose not to shield? And I agree with Chris Guard of Mardat.

The Horde Lord · **Joined:** Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:58 pm **Posts:** 301

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Is it not also "end worthy of song" or perhaps "death worthy of song" as "dead worthy..." makes little sense.

It's less overpowered now, but rather than the spear becomes a shield, how about they may use the shielding rule, even though they are mounted, and may do so even if other combatants choose not to shield? And I agree with Chris Guard of Mardat.

That would be breaching the entire logic behind the shielding condition. Shield is done by blocking (or at least trying to block) all enemy strikes, but if there are someone else to strike at who aren't doing the same, then you're basicly just standing there waving with your shield, thus most liekly being excluded from the fight.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:20 pm

Thus the enemy doesn't strike at you, and you would win. And beside elves don't make sense.

The Horde Lord · **Joined:** Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:58 pm **Posts:** 301

The enemy could still strike at the guy not shielding, and you wouldn't be part of the fight at all, thus not being able to lend your attacks. And beside, there is such a tihng as internal logic.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:46 am

hmm, so that means dead worthy of song(meant that name, but I didn't had much time to post the profiles) will only affect when the general is killed,the same for the spears that can only be used for shielding, not giving you an extra +1 defence. Also, when in the warband of elladan and elrohir(who must be mounted when using this upgrade), they can exchange their warspears for the aforementioned double blades, but this costs +3 points/model.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:54 am

Berserker Reaver point value: 90 independed hero
F S D A W C M/W/F
5/4 5 7 3 2 8 2/1/1
Wargear: An uruk berserker wears a 2handed sword
Rules:
Unknown Power: A berserker never get's a -1 penalty for wearing a 2handed weapon.

The Horde Lord · **Joined:** Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:58 pm **Posts:** 301

mastermanje wrote:

Berserker Captain point value: 90
F S D A W C M/W/F
5/4 5 7 3 2 8 2/1/1
Wargear: An uruk berserker wears a 2handed sword
Rules:
Unknown Power: A berserker never get's a -1 penalty for wearing a 2handed weapon.

How on earth do you expect a berserker to lead anything at all. And you do realise that this guy has 3 attacks with effective strenght 7, that's equal to a Mordor Troll.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:55 pm

The Horde Lord wrote:

mastermanje wrote:

Berserker Captain point value: 90
F S D A W C M/W/F
5/4 5 7 3 2 8 2/1/1
Wargear: An uruk berserker wears a 2handed sword
Rules:
Unknown Power: A berserker never get's a -1 penalty for wearing a 2handed weapon.

How on earth do you expect a berserker to lead anything at all. And you do realise that this guy has 3 attacks with effective strenght 7, that's equal to a Mordor Troll.

strength 5, changed it so it's stand fast only affects other berserkers

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:03 pm

I agree with Horde Lord,m the concept of a 'Beserker Captain' makes no sense.

Elessar Telcontar · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:02 pm

Strength 5 with +1 to wound for two-handed is about the same as a strength 7.
Actually, I think he could work as an independent hero, then he's not "leading" anyone.,

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:12 pm

THe strength 5 with +1 to wound is already found in the Gundabad Blackshield Captain, so that in itslef isn't too bad, just the concept of a Beserker with Might points.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:14 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

THe strength 5 with +1 to wound is already found in the Gundabad Blackshield Captain, so that in itslef isn't too bad, just the concept of a Beserker with Might points.

The might points only affect himself, and not any other warriors.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:54 pm

It shouldn't have them at all. Fate points yes, possibly Will, but no Might.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:58 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

It shouldn't have them at all. Fate points yes, possibly Will, but no Might.

So why dragon knights do? The same principe IMO

Highlordell · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:57 pm

mastermanje wrote:

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

It shouldn't have them at all. Fate points yes, possibly Will, but no Might.

So why dragon knights do? The same principe IMO

A Dragon Knight isn't an insane raving lunatic...

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