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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:53 pm 
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I have a question, if 2 orcs and are lined up perfectly on either side in a line around an elf lets say and that elf loses the fight is he trapped? really the question could be can you move futher than 1 inch to avoid being trapped? .. as I dont think there is a way to move to the side 1 inch and be an inch away from them both.

if that doesnt make sense I can try to explain it better

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:55 pm 
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I don't really understand what you're asking.
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:03 pm 
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Dont think so as the elf could still move away.
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If the elf lost, would it not go 'down'

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:07 pm 
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I think you are right as the rules say about the common way to trap being 3 models on one but it also doesnt say as far as I can see that you can move over 1 inch when pushed back after losing so I guess it hinges on that ... if I see Alexio Cavatore at the next Salute I plan on asking him lol

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:11 pm 
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Black = Orc
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If the defeated and outnumbered model moves 1" perpendicular to the red line then he will be 1.4" away from both.
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:19 pm 
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No, as someone else explained to me (I believe it was hithero or BlackMist), the model has to be able to move 1". This does not mean it has to end up 1" away from all combatants.
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:29 pm 
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DomyHill wrote:
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If the defeated and outnumbered model moves 1" perpendicular to the red line then he will be 1.4" away from both.


It would actually be less than 1/2" away as you measure between the closest points, the model isn't trapped and the criteria is only to move 1" away, nothing about direction or distance apart.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:44 pm 
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So models don't have to move straight back from a fight then can move any direction as long as its 2cm?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:44 am 
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So models don't have to move straight back from a fight then can move any direction as long as its 2cm?

I'm pretty sure they can't move into another fight

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:09 am 
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thanks for the answers, I think Whafrog / Hithero may have the right idea and it seems to make the most sense

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:20 am 
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The only thing that the lost model has to do is MOVE 1". It does not matter at all in what direction he moves as long as he makes a full 1" move.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:59 pm 
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It is correct that they can not enter another fight, BUT they can move into another models control zone (friend or foe). Even the model that is "Make Way for Friends" can move into another models control zone (ORB pg29).

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:21 pm 
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Quick nit-pick here that popped into my mind.

You have to move 1" to not be trapped.

In the movement section it says you can move back and forth if you want to, but it takes movement.

Therefor, as long as you have even half a cm to move you can say you're moving back and forth in that space to make up your 1" you need to move to not be trapped.


It's very cheap and I would never use it, but by the rules, as long as you have a tiny bit of space (you're not surrounded by three or more guys equadistant) you can't be trapped....Or am I missing something? :)
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:58 pm 
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that sounds a bit dodgy really

i was under the impression that you had to move straight back and not be in any enemy control zones at the end of your move
if you could move into other control zones than surely you could fight 2 fights in 1 fight phase?

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:19 pm 
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SidTheSloth wrote:
that sounds a bit dodgy really

i was under the impression that you had to move straight back and not be in any enemy control zones at the end of your move
if you could move into other control zones than surely you could fight 2 fights in 1 fight phase?

You do not have to move straight back, and you can go into control zones, as long as you don't go into base contact. As far as I understand it anyways.
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:20 am 
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theavenger001; you mentioned something about back-n-forth in the Movement section to avoid being trapped, but I've not read it. I just finished reading that section. If my eyes are failing me, that is my fault, but I can not find anything that states you can "move back and forth if you want to" to avoid being trapped. It clearly states that the defeated must move 1"/2cm backfrom the winner. I have listed the page, in my previous post, in the ORB for reference.

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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:58 am 
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I don't think he was saying it specified "to avoid being trapped", just that the movement rules allow you to move any old way you want in the Move phase. I don't think this translates to "moving back from losing a fight" though. It's a different kind of movement and at least the spirit of the rules seems pretty clear.
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:15 pm 
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whafrog wrote:
I don't think he was saying it specified "to avoid being trapped", just that the movement rules allow you to move any old way you want in the Move phase. I don't think this translates to "moving back from losing a fight" though. It's a different kind of movement and at least the spirit of the rules seems pretty clear.

Glad that's the way you think too. Imo it's definitely not in the spirit of the rules (to move back and forth to avoid being trapped), and like I said before you would get trapped way less often.....But it just popped into my head and I wondered if others had thought about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:20 pm 
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Being pushed back is not part of the movement phase so movement rules do not apply. For example, you do not get pushed back 1/2" in difficult terrain, it's still an 1".
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 Post subject: Re: trapped question
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:18 pm 
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Hith, that makes sense. Glad to know that that's not a loop-hole. :)
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