New FAQs are up on GW's website

Damian · **Joined:** Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 pm **Posts:** 246

I can't see a post for this anywhere here, so I thought I'd start a thread.

The New FAQs look pretty good, it's all mostly sensible stuff, Legolas shoots 3 times in a Volley, Thranduil's circlet can be resisted, Gildor can have wood elves in his warband, Glorfindel has terror, etc.

The thing I found most interesting was that in 'Reconnoitre' models that leave the table don't count towards reducing your army to the 25% limit. This means that in a fight between a cavalry (or flying) army and a slow foot army (like Dwarfs) the cavalry can't just run everyone off the table and auto-win. Someone has to be reduced to 25% by taking casualties in order to get a result.

discuss..............

Draugluin · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:56 pm

It's funny, because they say that the Golden King is an "inspirational hero" for the banner rule, when it's his throne that counts as the banner.

Damian · **Joined:** Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 pm **Posts:** 246

I think that's fair. It differentiates him from a conventional banner. It's not as if he has a pole jammed up his backside and a member of the Abracadabra Guard is waving him around like a flag.
Maybe he's inspirational beacause he has enough cash to buy that throne.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:07 am

But his rules say he has a banner, not that he counts as one. I don't have the book with me, so I can't check, but I know that that's how it was worded in WD.

Also, the Shire can have a warband led by Bandobras Took, so it can be an entire warband larger now.

Damian · **Joined:** Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 pm **Posts:** 246

In the Fallen Realms book the throne 'Counts as a banner'.

Most named heros are very points-efficient compared with the generic ones, so taking someone with a banner effect like the Golden King or Amdur is a pretty good choice. All this FAQ means is that if you choose to take a different hero and a banner carried by a warrior instead you will maybe get another victory point in one of the six scenarios.

The Bandobras Took errata is entirely sensible, anything else would have been moronic.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:38 am

It also says that one of the "army banners" counts, but not Golden King's banner. All I'm saying is that The Golden King is actually carrying a banner whereas Amdur, the Dark Marshal, Carsair Bo'suns and Frodo count as the banner themselves.

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:16 am

Had a "what the heck, GW?" revelation. In the new system Gandalf the Gray can't take Shadowfax as a mount???? This was allowed in the original rule book as well as LoME because...well...he DID. When I saw this thread I jumped right on and looked up the FAQs hoping they may have corrected this error...but no. Why the heck did they take that option away? :roll:

Dagorlad · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:21 am

15 Mbytes for a two page document? Bizarre!

Anyway, for those who are having troubles finding the FAQ on GW's site, look no further:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... eMode=true

theavenger001 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:34 am

Beowulf03809 wrote:

Had a "what the heck, GW?" revelation. In the new system Gandalf the Gray can't take Shadowfax as a mount???? This was allowed in the original rule book as well as LoME because...well...he DID. When I saw this thread I jumped right on and looked up the FAQs hoping they may have corrected this error...but no. Why the heck did they take that option away? :roll:

Hmm, send it in, ask! I know that they are starting on the next round already, as this one took so long.

A couple of thoughts at what stood out to me"

Legolas gets 3 shots per volley, and drar gets 2.

You can't be hit by volley fire if you have an elven cloak and are partiallly hidden, but within the 14 cm

good can volley at enemies that are within 14cm of grima :shock:

I assume you can then shoot siege weapons at guys wthin 14cm of grimma too.... :twisted:

KoU gets the transfixed stats, not the original ones

And wow, GW sure left out a lot in these books. They missed a couple of profiles, ((again) remember those warriors of the dead...), and they also missed out quite a few wargear options/special rules/correct profiles.

I'm glad to see this finally out, it clears up a lot of things, but again, it still leaves lots of unanswered questions.

The one thign that sticks outt to me was the comment that they are already working on the next one. It seems like even if we get a new rule-book for the hobbit (which is quite likely imho), I don't think they will have changed the rules at all; otherwise they wouldn't go to all the trouble of doing these faq's. I think the new (rule) book will be just that, only rules, no profiles. Anyways, long post, lots of new stuff to see. Thanks gw for giving us something new, right when I was getting anxcious for the new hobbit stuff!

Sticky Fingersss · **Joined:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:20 am **Posts:** 1776

Any update for LOTR is good for LOTR despite the fact it misses out alot. Does it miss out alot in 40k and fantasy as well?

Constantine · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:24 am

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Anyway, for those who are having troubles finding the FAQ on GW's site, look no further

Thanks Dagorlad

Another question I can think of is : what if I purchase heavy armor for the Elven Twins so their defense becomes 7 and one dies thus activating the Unbreakable Bond rule. Shouldn't their defense be reduced to 6 and not 4?

I also dislike the fact that the Woses can't make half their move and shoot, while Far Harad warriors can. A High Elven force sure becomes much more potent with the errata in Gildor Inglorion's profile.

SidTheSloth · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:50 am

Jolly good!
This clears quite a few matters up

I'm glad to see that they've made gildor and glorfy more sensible.

I like the Bullroarers change too, I always found it rediculous that he could lead ents but not hobbits

Fishlegs · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:31 am

The Great Beast has become more useful again now it's pretty much immune to magic.
Warg Riders with throwing spears keep their weapons when dismounted.
Uruk Hai Drummer!
Khamul on FB looks less useful though.

Shieldmaiden · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:44 am

So what happens to Gildor's warband re: 33% rule?

The wording is ambiguous - it doesn't say you can 'ally in' wood elves, it says you can include them in his warband. So by that wording, the warband is Gildors, vis-a-vis, the warband is under the High Elf army list, so it is part of the larger 33%.

If that is correct, I can see the merit of having Gildor and a warband of 12 Noldorin Exile Archers with Elven Cloaks that can move 8", (or move 4" and shoot) that you pay the same for and sacrifice a little defence. If you were using them as dedicated archers, they'd be very useful indeed.

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:00 am

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Q: The rules for Immobilise/Transfix states that the victim
can do nothing further that turn. How does this affect
Boromirʼs Horn of Gondor and Rúmilʼs Swift Parry special
rule? (p41)
A: Neither can be used, nor can any special rule or piece
of wargear that a model chooses to use (or not). Special
rules and wargear that work automatically (without a
choice on the part of the model or the player) still work if
the model is affected by Immobilise/Transfix.

Nothing like a contradictory answer...I would say Rumil's swift parry is a auto special rule therefor it can be used. The horn of gondor I agree with though.

Farmer Maggot · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:37 am

I'd think of the transfix rules as active (e.g. Rumil’s Parry) versus passive (e.g. Resistant to Magic).

Active means you actually have to take an action, but passive abilities happen without acting.

Constantine · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:38 am

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that you pay the same for and sacrifice a little defence.

Noldorin Exiles with elven cloaks, elven bows cost 14points. Without equipping them with an Elven Cloak yo stand correct.

Shieldmaiden · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:53 am

Constantine wrote:

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that you pay the same for and sacrifice a little defence.

Noldorin Exiles with elven cloaks, elven bows cost 14points. Without equipping them with an Elven Cloak yo stand correct.

15 pts actually!

Might still be worth it, if used correctly.

At any rate, + movement - defence archers for the same points are still worth a look at.

Constantine · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:46 am

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At any rate, + movement - defence archers for the same points are still worth a look at.

I concur. I was thinking of Noldorin Exiles with just bows. This would make them 1 point cheaper that Warriors with bows and with their added mobility combined with their Woodland Creature rule they seem promising. I think that 12 Noldorin Exiles are adequate, as the only bowmen, of a 500 point army. Additionally this creates plenty of opportunities for adding visual variety to a High Elven force.

I remember an article in GW's site showing different color palettes for Wood Elves.
A particular one, made them look like high elves. From what I remember their cloaks were pale blue/grey like Gildor's and they looked like Arwen's escorts in the movie.

Shieldmaiden · **Posted:** Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:45 pm

Constantine wrote:

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At any rate, + movement - defence archers for the same points are still worth a look at.

I concur. I was thinking of Noldorin Exiles with just bows. This would make them 1 point cheaper that Warriors with bows and with their added mobility combined with their Woodland Creature rule they seem promising. I think that 12 Noldorin Exiles are adequate, as the only bowmen, of a 500 point army. Additionally this creates plenty of opportunities for adding visual variety to a High Elven force.

I remember an article in GW's site showing different color palettes for Wood Elves.
A particular one, made them look like high elves. From what I remember their cloaks were pale blue/grey like Gildor's and they looked like Arwen's escorts in the movie.

I always thought it was silly for High Elves to not be able to wear armour, if they wanted.

Ideally, I'd split the elves into Rivendell/Lothlorien/Mirkwood, with the same basic unarmed/unarmoured profile, and different equipment options.

But this helps a lot!

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