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Is the Balrog worth his points?
Yes, with the new rules 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
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He is better than before but not worth his points 50%  50%  [ 11 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:29 am 
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Hi,

Do you think that the Balrog is still not worth his points? He can do brutal power attacks and doesn't need to do heroic strikes.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:38 am 
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Not even remotely worth his points. With 0 might and 0 will he's pretty sorry. True BPA's make him a tiny bit better, but not much. He should be 100-150 points cheaper than he currently is IMO

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:47 am 
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We play thathe is 50 points less and has a 12" Stand Fast! with a dragging effect to his lash (Watcher in the Water style!). He's probably still to much at that but it makes him a bit better and a bit less ignorable.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:07 am 
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Aye, better than before (obviously), but not good. I like Jacob's suggestions, not just for added power, but also a bit more interesting - especially the lash. Would love to see the profile redone with some extra fun rules, like Smaug.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:58 am 
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Even with power attacks he's a lot more than he ever should be. I would never field him even more in a fun game.

He needs minimum 3 abilities like small orbbeorn have and 3 rules unique to him to be worth his points.

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I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)?

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Badner wrote:
I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)?


Wizards Ringwraiths Trolls with might Treebeard Bolg Azog plenty of furied units with a hero heroic striking half trolls and many more.

For his points I believe you can get a named wraith on fell beast a troll and and like 130 more points.

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I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will.

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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will.


And resistant to magic.

Badner wrote:
I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)?


That's very easy, surround him with troops and you'll kill him with less than half his points of opposition, he's literally never worth it. Last game that I fought one I killed him with Drar and 6 Dwarves (2 Khazad Guard, and 4 Dwarf Warriors), all of them used piercing strike every turn and killed him very, very quickly and I only lost 2 Dwarf warriors. That's roughly 125 points of models killing a 400 point model with only losing 16 points themselves

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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will.


Really? You wouldn't cast magic with a wizard that gets 1 free will every turn? Or a necromancer who has 25? Sauron? Witch King?

One or two turns on a trapped Balrog who's halved his fights and attacks by the right units and he can die.

Imagine you trap him with a hero a troll and a bunch of black guard? Win a fight and inflicting wounds is not all that far fetched.

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Thank you for your thoughts. Do you think that if he had 3 M and 3 F, he would be worth his points?

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nop

bit more but still not there yet...
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